Posted by David

If you're towering to get on the PK leaderboards then you're doing the wrong activity.

If you are talking about this

Posted by Bryan*

Changes need to be made. This is ridiculous. This starts from morning until the end of the season (all winners have been doing this crap). I wish they can just have no pk-zones in all areas and only have to pk forts.

Then yeah, people shouldn't be limited to towering.
They just have to make it so you can't boost kills by mobbing.
Why did they stop counting house kills towards stats?
Why do people get banned from winning spars against the same person repeatedly?

If they change the point system for pking, then you can mob pk all you want.
They'd have to do this for the pk scores:

Posted by Dusty

Diminishing returns for killing someone who has died a lot in the last <x> amount of time?

 

Posted by Aguzo

I think people are just looking at the fact that mob pking is boosting. If there weren't scoreboards, then it wouldn't be a problem.
It's kind of like bridging host, then kicking people from the match, and fighting against bots to boost your stats. You get #1 in a few months, while others took years to get there.

Just because you dont like the new system doesnt translate it to being the sole issue. Blaming the scoreboard isnt gonna get you anywhere. Like I said before in my previous post, its due to the proximity of the players of how the pks work on Classic.

Players on Era do the exact same thing. They get one really powerful gun that requires no skill whatsoever. They are boosting too but its not as apparent because of how much further they all are. Classic players are using swords. They are a lot closer to each other. Thus, a huge pk crowd in one corner seems overwhelming.

Players are free to play the game however they like. Let them do so. Why do you care how someone else plays? You're not their parent or owner. Leave the pks as they are. Play the game your way. Dont try to change how others chose to play.

On the other hand, creating respawning area seems like a good idea. So long as players are truly free to exit a building without some player blocking the exits. It could work.

Posted by Aguzo

If you are talking about this


Then yeah, people shouldn't be limited to towering.
They just have to make it so you can't boost kills by mobbing.
Why did they stop counting house kills towards stats?
Why do people get banned from winning spars against the same person repeatedly?

If they change the point system for pking, then you can mob pk all you want.
They'd have to do this for the pk scores:

Because in a pk mob players are not killing the same person multiple times in a row. Thus, they are not boosting. You kill the same player over and over in a row at spar that is boosting.  

Things ruined by this respawn system that some of you are asking for:

• The entire experience for new players
• Seasonal events, specifically Halloween and Easter
• Bug catching in most areas
• Traveling from point A to point B in a non-frustrating manner
• Towers, because every mob PKer will just go to the door at MoD or Swamp
• BKing
• Maps

All for what? Pleasing people who want to convince the community that the only fair PKing happens at towers?  

Creating respawn areas is a terrible idea. Set and/or random respawn points won't fix mob pking, it will just make the game annoying. That is just one of the many aspects I hate about the other Graal servers.

Why won't it fix it? Because they can just create the mobs inside towers and won't be affected by the random respawns.  

Posted by Thallen

Things ruined by this respawn system that some of you are asking for:

• The entire experience for new players
• Seasonal events, specifically Halloween and Easter
• Bug catching in most areas
• Traveling from point A to point B in a non-frustrating manner
• Towers, because every mob PKer will just go to the door at MoD or Swamp
• BKing
• Maps

All for what? Pleasing people who want to convince the community that the only fair PKing happens at towers?

Right? Just leave the system as it is. End result will be that there will be complaints either way.  

Posted by Dusty

if you're just another player who was in the middle of something like baddy-killing or going to a shop it's going to be annoying. I can hear the players already having an aneurysm and screaming losing their voice as they whine about the misfortune of dying while fighting the giant blob.

^^one of the reason why i quit era.
next to the starter park, there's bad guys with pbp shooting bullets 24/7 and they all come from directions. i hate getting warped in the hospital. i was just trying to collect trash for a better gun.
same with digging. crabs kill ya, u don't revive there unless u buy a potion/VIP(?) and i am not a guy who does digging 24/7. so very discouraging.

Posted by Brett

Regardless of mobs you're going to have to 'no-life'/spend tons of time to get #1 on PKing boards no matter what changes are made anyways. I don't think anyone looks at PK/Spar/BK leaderboards for 'skill'. I do feel like there could be better solutions than spawn points, just haven't seen any mentioned yet/can't think of any myself

exactly. i feel like there might be a good solution out there. just haven't seen one yet. same goes for towering too.  

Completely of topic. Very really off topic

But does toonslab actually make real money when someone uses gralats to buy an item or do they only make the money off of people buying gralats to afford the item they want?  

Posted by Reemas

Just because you dont like the new system doesnt translate it to being the sole issue. Blaming the scoreboard isnt gonna get you anywhere. Like I said before in my previous post, its due to the proximity of the players of how the pks work on Classic.

What are you talking about? All I said was that I don't think it's fair for others. I'm not planning on getting #1, even if it were fixed. I just believe that pking the same 10-30 people in less than a minute is boosting. Everyone else brought it up.

Because I don't like the way people boost their way to #1 from mobbing, I can't share my opinion? This is a discussion thread after all, isn't it?

Mob pking is the equivalent of boosting wins, at least in my eyes.

Posted by Reemas

Because in a pk mob players are not killing the same person multiple times in a row. Thus, they are not boosting. You kill the same player over and over in a row at spar that is boosting.

If I'm in a dead room, and I beat the same player 3-4 times in a row, then I'll just change rooms. I get bored, and like to spar different people.

I don't care if you want to boost your personal stats, just as long as it doesn't affect the leaderboard as well.

This is the only solution I have seen thus far:

Posted by Dusty

Diminishing returns for killing someone who has died a lot in the last <x> amount of time?

Spawn points have too many negative effects. Changing the way points are gained for the pking leaderboard is the best way to go.  

Not having respawns from the beginning was a mistake, it has spoiled players and from a gameplay and development point of view makes no sense.  

Posted by Zetectic

exactly. i feel like there might be a good solution out there. just haven't seen one yet. same goes for towering too.

Pk quest/Pyrat quest? Anyone? Anyone? No? Fiiine  

"I want PKing to be what I want it to mean, so I suggest we add all of these arbitrary changes because I have defined mob PKing as boosting, and it has been happening on iclassic since the beginning of time."

and despite popular belief there is a method to maximize your kills while mob pking. If you're brainlessly spamming arrows and stuff, then ya youll get some kills but not nearly as much as if you're playing smart. Wait till a crowd gets to 1.5, drop a lot of bombs, wait till people get to 1 then spam arrows, work your way around the outer edges of the mob and scope out .5s

It's definitely not as skill-based as sparring or towering, but you're not sitting there pressing a button and getting "1k kills an hour" like someone stupidly suggested earlier.  

Posted by Dusty

Not having respawns from the beginning was a mistake, it has spoiled players and from a gameplay and development point of view makes no sense.

Yes it has spoiled players. My friend who used to play quit because "how stupid it is" and that it's not a real game. Another thing he does not like is you don't actually die because you get right back up.  

Posted by ethacon

Yes it has spoiled players. My friend who used to play quit because "how stupid it is" and that it's not a real game. Another thing he does not like is you don't actually die because you get right back up.

Dont think Graal will ever get that advanced to point where someone will actually die. I hope no one dies. That would be terrible.  

Posted by Dusty

Not having respawns from the beginning was a mistake, it has spoiled players and from a gameplay and development point of view makes no sense.

It would take away the casual stand point that is graal right now. I don't play era, because I have to buy potions. Imagine the trolls who would gang on new players, and make them keep respawning at the nearest building. All you have to do is implement what you previously stated to the scoreboard. The All-Time top 100 for pking doesn't exist anymore, so if they want to grind pks, go for it. As long as you can't boost to get #1.  

Posted by Reemas

Dont think Graal will ever get that advanced to point where someone will actually die. I hope no one dies. That would be terrible.

Lol you know what I mean.