Gosh I'd love to trade/sell hats/items to my peers! Oh wait... - 4

Xavier · 03-12-2013

Posted by fp4

The idea of trade isn't opposed at all, it's just a very big project to complete and do right.

We (me being a major contributor to the project) are working on providing means to facilitate player-to-player commerce and hope to have it ready in the near future.

I hope you are using a system similar to Valve's, since their method is incredibly successful.

Posted by Thallen

Graal would not have any way of making money through a largely player-managed trading economy, unless they implement additional ideas to help encourage players to buy packs (such as charging a fee per trade).

As I play Team Fortress 2, the epitome of trading-virtual-hats-games, I can say Eurocenter would have no problem at all with needing to convince people to buy packs for trading.

Background information about Team Fortress 2 hat trading system:

Hats are made via crafting 3 "refined metal" together. Most hats are only worth about 1.66-2.55 "refined metal", as that is all the community is willing to pay for. Supply and Demand. A key is worth about 3.66 "refined metal" (again, this price shifts due to supply and demand amongst the community).

When people wish to get hats in Team Fortress 2, the easiest way is to buy virtual currency from Steam. This currency is a key, which costs $2.49. With this currency they then find a player who will trade a hat for the keys.

Players in this game rarely do 1 on 1 hat trading. Usually, the player trades their hats for a certain amount of currency (keys, bought in the Steam Store for $2.49), then use the currency to buy whichever hat they wish.

This is why Eurocenter would not need to charge fees for trading: They make money because players buy currency to buy hats from other players.

tl;dr People don't want to trade a hat for another hat. They want to trade their hat for currency, then trade the currency for the hat they want.

Skill · 03-12-2013

Posted by Xavier

I hope you are using a system similar to Valve's, since their method is incredibly successful.

As I play Team Fortress 2, the epitome of trading-virtual-hats-games, I can say Eurocenter would have no problem at all with needing to convince people to buy packs for trading.

Background information about Team Fortress 2 hat trading system:

Hats are made via crafting 3 "refined metal" together. Most hats are only worth about 1.66-2.55 "refined metal", as that is all the community is willing to pay for. Supply and Demand. A key is worth about 3.66 "refined metal" (again, this price shifts due to supply and demand amongst the community).

When people wish to get hats in Team Fortress 2, the easiest way is to buy virtual currency from Steam. This currency is a key, which costs $2.49. With this currency they then find a player who will trade a hat for the keys.

Players in this game rarely do 1 on 1 hat trading. Usually, the player trades their hats for a certain amount of currency (keys, bought in the Steam Store for $2.49), then use the currency to buy whichever hat they wish.

This is why Eurocenter would not need to charge fees for trading: They make money because players buy currency to buy hats from other players.

tl;dr People don't want to trade a hat for another hat. They want to trade their hat for currency, then trade the currency for the hat they want.

wait, a bit off topic here, but isn't refined metal made by using 3 items to craft/refine(can't remember the word)?

Moving on with the topic, I don't see an issue with them requiring the+version of graal or at least the customization pack to be able to trade.

Yami · 03-12-2013

Posted by reyalS

It's been three long years. Many things have been added and improved yet I still cannot get rid of any of my unwanted hats and items, nor can I trade them to people who would appreciate them more than I. Will this ever be a reality? Probably not.

lol, trading?? naaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. staff still won't transfer my two ID'd accounts after switching over from my ipod3G to my ipad2. i had ID'd my old account so i wouldn't lose it, after selling my device,

Xavier · 03-12-2013

Posted by Skill

wait, a bit off topic here, but isn't refined metal made by using 3 items to craft/refine(can't remember the word)?

I didn't want to go completely off the topic so I left it out, but crafting two random weapons together in TF2 makes a scrap metal. Three scrap combined creates a reclaimed metal. Three reclaimed creates a refined.

Skill · 03-12-2013

so if I'm doing the math correctly, you need 18 weapons to make a refined metal?

Xavier · 03-12-2013

Posted by Skill

so if I'm doing the math correctly, you need 18 weapons to make a refined metal?

Correct.

Rezon · 03-12-2013

inb4 trade system = gifting hats for purchasing gralat packs

Furryamigo · 03-12-2013

Posted by Rufus

It's not a trade system.

Xavier · 03-12-2013

I guess I'm pretty bad at reading previous post pages. Whoops.

Skill · 03-12-2013

Posted by Rezon

inb4 trade system = gifting hats for purchasing gralat packs

Haha, like the gifting system in LoL.

Yami · 03-13-2013

The reason why players are stating, it will ruin the economy, simply put. If you are trading items for items, you can choose any-hat(for e.x.). Graal isn't making any profit if players can trade amongst themselves.

"BUT HOW THEY NO MAKE MOENYZ?!@11/"

WELL. In the sense of trading items for items, you can trade something you have, E.X. I have an apple hat, BUT ZERO GRALATS. so, i traded it for someones new hat, or one of there older ones, Graal itself isn't making any money at all. YOU COULD ARGUE, that someone bought a new hat, and then, someone who can't afford it traded one of his/her hats, for the new one, BUT THEN that is still making less than normal profit, a trading system WOULD ruin graal's money making system, which still, they struggle to maintain.
If people would take time to define what Fp4 stated near the begining of this thread; He states *FROM MY POINT OF VIEW* That, "we (me being a big part of the project) are working on Player-To-Player selling and/or buying,"

it would go down more like this, again, this is only my opinion. This way. Players are still getting there items of interest, but without ruining graals economy, might even raise it a small bit, seeing how players would farm/buy packs to buy off of who ever has the item of interest.

The term of "trading" should be dropped, clearly it isn't trading, it is player-to-player buying and selling.

oh. also...
my mental state is weak at 3:30am (the time i did this, so rep plz

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haruka · 03-13-2013

Although it's an old concept, it's still very intriguing. Implementing something akin to a trade system would bring about many possibilities.

The outcome should be interesting.

Ash Ketchum · 03-13-2013

Posted by Rufus

I love Ash Ketchum

Pazx · 03-14-2013

Posted by reyalS

Saying Era has a trading system is like saying Hitler had a great plan.

But he did, are you ******ed?

Posted by Xavier

A key is worth about 3.66 "refined metal"

Are you kidding? I'm glad I stopped playing when I did.

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Xavier Classic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New York City Posts: 908	I guess I'm pretty bad at reading previous post pages. Whoops.

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Yami Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Babord Police Department Posts: 739	The reason why players are stating, it will ruin the economy, simply put. If you are trading items for items, you can choose any-hat(for e.x.). Graal isn't making any profit if players can trade amongst themselves. "BUT HOW THEY NO MAKE MOENYZ?!@11/" WELL. In the sense of trading items for items, you can trade something you have, E.X. I have an apple hat, BUT ZERO GRALATS. so, i traded it for someones new hat, or one of there older ones, Graal itself isn't making any money at all. YOU COULD ARGUE, that someone bought a new hat, and then, someone who can't afford it traded one of his/her hats, for the new one, BUT THEN that is still making less than normal profit, a trading system WOULD ruin graal's money making system, which still, they struggle to maintain. If people would take time to define what Fp4 stated near the begining of this thread; He states FROM MY POINT OF VIEW That, "we (me being a big part of the project) are working on Player-To-Player selling and/or buying," it would go down more like this, again, this is only my opinion. This way. Players are still getting there items of interest, but without ruining graals economy, might even raise it a small bit, seeing how players would farm/buy packs to buy off of who ever has the item of interest. The term of "trading" should be dropped, clearly it isn't trading, it is player-to-player buying and selling. oh. also... my mental state is weak at 3:30am (the time i did this, so rep plz )

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haruka ClanDestine Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 724	Although it's an old concept, it's still very intriguing. Implementing something akin to a trade system would bring about many possibilities. The outcome should be interesting.