Posted by Kieran2820

It's sad that this thread turned into an argument on how Ariana should have reacted. This is the largest terrorist attack in the UK for the past decade, and you Thallen, are complaining about how Ariana reacted? She is a victim too. Everyone in the arena was. Anyone could have died that day, so i'm sure she is in more shock than you can even imagine. 22 dead. One is confirmed to be an 8 year old. Another 18 I believe.
8 pages of nonsense, with only a few people realising the real trajedy here.

+1 me, this thread really did turn negative.

I think it's important to remember that everyone who attended the concert is a victim, including Ariana. She's only human and I'm sure she would be experiencing shock and survivor's guilt. Something like this doesn't just blow over and will affect people for years, possibly for the rest of their lives.

What I hope we can all agree on is that this attack was a cowardly act, considering the man responsible was specifically targeting children. I cannot understand how that thought could exist in one's mind. The fact that he waited for the end of the concert while everyone was getting ready to leave so that everyone would be rushing to get home just sickens me. These casualties are not soldiers who have spent years training and knew the risks going off to war. They're innocent children, young people who have barely lived their lives. I extend that to the young adults who were still in college or probably still on their first part-time job who will now never get the chance to live their life to their full potential as well as the parents and relatives who also lost their lives as they did something as simple as waiting for their children to come out after having a great night out. It is so inconceivable to think that life can end so abruptly and how quick a night out at a concert can change in a blink of an eye.

Politics, religion and anything else that may divide our beliefs aside, I hope we can all agree that this is a confronting event that no person should have to live through. My thoughts go out to the families and friends of the victims.  

I'll give my condolences to the victims. But, this thread had made cancer, for such an atrocious tragedy.
I respect her for cancelling her tour because I do think that if she continued it, it would affect her and the people in the concert with the idea of "there's a terrorist". It may also say that she's giving respect to the fans who had died instead of quickly moving on and continue her tour. Wouldn't it be implanted on the heads of the parents if Ariana continued her concert, "Does she have respect on the people who died at HER concert?"

If she had reacted on something she can't control, people would give ideas on her like, what's her position for dealing something she can't even deal with? What she can deal with is the safety of her fans and her respect to those people who died. How can we say she can fix this at her current position? She's a teenage girl making records and songs, not a political leader who can order the army for protection.  

I think the main problem is the lack of education and not the religion(s). And the eastern world is poorly educated.

As for the muslim ban - I can understand that you want to protect your country but is it the right solution? How can I differ between a muslim and a terrorist? Are you going to put a c4 and a swastika infront of him and see what he picks? It's nearly impossible to differ.

And as a few already have mentioned the sharia law - it's a farce. The sharia law is against kings. Just take a look at Saudi.  

Posted by Sig.

I think the main problem is the lack of education and not the religion(s). And the eastern world is poorly educated.

As for the muslim ban - I can understand that you want to protect your country but is it the right solution? How can I differ between a muslim and a terrorist? Are you going to put a c4 and a swastika infront of him and see what he picks? It's nearly impossible to differ.

And as a few already have mentioned the sharia law - it's a farce. The sharia law is against kings. Just take a look at Saudi.

Ever see an eastern Buddhist do this type of thing?  

This thread was ****ed once someone started criticizing how Ariana Grande reacted to a tragedy that killed 20+ people in a concert that she was hosting.  

Posted by Fulgore

Ever see an eastern Buddhist do this type of thing?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7561711.html  

Another tragic event that cnn and nbc gonna use to **** talk trump when he had no way to stop this. UK fault for letting them into their country.  

Posted by Fulgore

Ever see an eastern Buddhist do this type of thing?

I don't really see the point of saying "You don't see [insert religion/race] doing this."

In the end it was never about religion, humans are capable of doing just about anything immoral if the chips are down.

I mean just look at the Crusades. Barely any of those who participated in those wars were truly Christians. Most of them were just random people who were told if they participated they'd instantly be absolved of all their sins. Sounds familiar?

Its how people think that leads them to do terrible things. All these religions and ideologies are just excuses to pull **** off.

I think anyone who blindly devotes themselves entirely to a religion or ideology is totally capable of doing something like this regardless of whether "its a religion of peace."

That's another thing that annoys me is when people pull the "religion of peace" card.

Like I said, anything can happen and whatever your religion says has absolutely no power over what happens.  

Posted by Hadi

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7561711.html

That is the Burmese government, not a group of Buddhists lmao.

Myanmar/Burma is a secular state in which Buddhism and Government is seperate. That link you posted was stupid and isn't relevant to Buddhists.

If you can give me a passage in the Tripitaka or any Sutras about killing people because of their faith, I'll take the L.  

Posted by Fulgore

Ever see an eastern Buddhist do this type of thing?

I considered middle eastern countries only when saying that - buddihists make up a little bit more than 0,3 % of the total population there. The single fact that muslims kill eachother because they're Sunnis/Shi'as proves how braindead they are.

If it's the religion itself why aren't there major issues with muslims everywhere?  

Posted by 5hift

I don't really see the point of saying "You don't see [insert religion/race] doing this."

In the end it was never about religion, humans are capable of doing just about anything immoral if the chips are down.

I mean just look at the Crusades. Barely any of those who participated in those wars were truly Christians. Most of them were just random people who were told if they participated they'd instantly be absolved of all their sins. Sounds familiar?

Its how people think that leads them to do terrible things. All these religions and ideologies are just excuses to pull **** off.

I think anyone who blindly devotes themselves entirely to a religion or ideology is totally capable of doing something like this regardless of whether "its a religion of peace."

That's another thing that annoys me is when people pull the "religion of peace" card.

Like I said, anything can happen and whatever your religion says has absolutely no power over what happens.

I agree. Another example of this is the 2011 terror attack on Norway. Most people expected it to be a muslim terrorist, but it ended up being Anders Behring Breivik, a far-right Christian terrorist. His targets were muslims and the Norwegian Labour Party.  

Posted by Guri

I agree. Another example of this is the 2011 terror attack on Norway. Most people expected it to be a muslim terrorist, but it ended up being Anders Behring Breivik, a far-right Christian terrorist. His targets were muslims and the Norwegian Labour Party.

I'd like to correct you on that, Anders Behring Breivik actually said he was not a Christian and said he was an Odinist.

He said he believes in the European culture of Christianity, but does not accept Jesus and that jazz.  

Posted by Sig.

I think the main problem is the lack of education and not the religion(s). And the eastern world is poorly educated.

There's a direct correlation because their lack of education is what allows Islam to be so overbearing. I have a lot of Muslim friends and many are intelligent people. The common denominator between them is that they realize Islam is a bit ridiculous in 2017. That's what happens when you get a view of the developed through the Internet. Not all Muslims have that luxury though. There are some countries in the Middle East that are still poorly developed, and many of them were countries listed on the temporary ban list.

Posted by Sig.

As for the muslim ban - I can understand that you want to protect your country but is it the right solution? How can I differ between a muslim and a terrorist? Are you going to put a c4 and a swastika infront of him and see what he picks? It's nearly impossible to differ.

You can't differentiate them and that's why the proposed ban is so broad. The upside is that it's a blanket solution to having extremists enter the country and the downside is that we get less migrants. One is obviously more important to us than the other, as it very well should be. The US is not in an any type of migrant shortage crisis, but there is hysteria worldwide about terrorism.

Japan is one of the most developed countries in the world and has one of the strictest immigration policies. They aren't crucified for it, and they shouldn't be. Same with Austria. Austria is so fed up with immigration that they're offering migrants cash bonuses to leave their country. These are two of the highest-ranking countries on the Global Peace Index, too.

Islam has to go through some type of reform. People scrutinize the US, and other countries, for being "discriminatory" because they don't want these migrants in mass amounts. Real discrimination is what some of the most developed Muslim nations do to gays, women, and apostates though. Many Muslim people have owned up to their responsibility of modernizing and not following the Quran to a tee, but many Muslim nations are still extremely oppressive. How could anyone deny this?  

Posted by Thallen

Islam has to go through some type of reform. People scrutinize the US, and other countries, for being "discriminatory" because they don't want these migrants in mass amounts. Real discrimination is what some of the most developed Muslim nations do to gays, women, and apostates though. Many Muslim people have owned up to their responsibility of modernizing and not following the Quran to a tee, but many Muslim nations are still extremely oppressive. How could anyone deny this?

i feel like you're stating that islamic nations oppress homosexuals because of their religion; many countries oppress/ban/enforce capital punishment upon homosexuality (including Russia, Guyana, Swaziland, etc.) because it is presumed as morally wrong or unnatural
i may be wrong since i don't know the exact laws of islamic countries  

Posted by monstro

I'll give my condolences to the victims. But, this thread had made cancer, for such an atrocious tragedy.
I respect her for cancelling her tour because I do think that if she continued it, it would affect her and the people in the concert with the idea of "there's a terrorist". It may also say that she's giving respect to the fans who had died instead of quickly moving on and continue her tour. Wouldn't it be implanted on the heads of the parents if Ariana continued her concert, "Does she have respect on the people who died at HER concert?"

No one (or, at least I'm not) is saying she should be unaffected. That would be lunacy. Some people would say that she didn't respect who died if she continued... But others would look at her strength and perseverance, and would look at her as continuing her tour in the victims' honor. It isn't so clear cut.

What if she donated the proceeds from one of the concerts to the victims' families? That would honor the dead and show that she won't just bow to terrorizism. I fully understand that continuing would've been very difficult, but in the big picture this is stuff that can cause a lot of change for good, and she's crucial to that. It is a tragedy, but how you(or we, as people) respond to this is important and Ariana has the tools at her disposal to guide the narrative.

Posted by monstro

If she had reacted on something she can't control, people would give ideas on her like, what's her position for dealing something she can't even deal with? What she can deal with is the safety of her fans and her respect to those people who died. How can we say she can fix this at her current position? She's a teenage girl making records and songs, not a political leader who can order the army for protection.

This is a snarky response from me, but she can deal with stuff like this... She, like the rest of us, are not powerless when it comes to terrorism. She has more power than most of us though. She has influence. If you don't believe me about how much impact she could have, look at John Lennon and his protests of the Vietnam war.



On a side note, it isn't like people who are talking about terrorizism or what this all means are disrespecting the dead in some way. We obviously care, because we are concerned not just with the effect but with the cause. We don't want to see something like this happen again.