Speeding in Spar

Aguzo · 12-07-2016

Recently, there has been an increase on the % of people speeding in spar.
By speeding I don't mean the obvious one's that move super fast. There are a lot of people going slightly faster than the normal speed.

Is there any way to solve this issue? Git Gud?

Nanner · 12-07-2016

Make time go slower and realize every possibly sequence and combo that can be done to overcome the speedness

James205 · 12-07-2016

This has become a problem for sure and I'm also seeing an increase in it. I've seen many people doing it including lots of noob accounts and it seems they are being careful about when they toggle it.

I know it's always kind of been a problem but as of lately it seems to definitely have an uptick and the worst I've seen it since I've been back (1 year).

DoubleliftGraal · 12-07-2016

If these noobs wanna speed, they should do it like Meta-Sonic(The obvious ones that literally warp around the arena like crazy). I guess the only solution for this is for the admins to buy some kinda speeding calculator that calculates pixels per seconds lol

Nanner · 12-07-2016

Why hack graal? lol. Your much better off hacking mw2 and doing more fun ****

Red · 12-07-2016

As someone who spars late into the night (early morning for US players about midnight for pinoys) I see a lot of brazillian and pinoy noob accounts speeding blatantly and sometimes toggling mid spar.

Its a huge problem always has been and always will be, there really isn't an easy Fix for it considering most gps won't come near spar rooms unless a player is reported. (more often then not newer players sparring against cheaters don't know you can report others)

DoubleliftGraal · 12-07-2016

Posted by Red

As someone who spars late into the night (early morning for US players about midnight for pinoys) I see a lot of brazillian and pinoy noob accounts speeding blatantly and sometimes toggling mid spar.

Its a huge problem always has been and always will be, there really isn't an easy Fix for it considering most gps won't come near spar rooms unless a player is reported. (more often then not newer players sparring against cheaters don't know you can report others)

Maybe those guys have extremely terrible wifi problems cuz imo, almost all of those sparrers lag and speed like that. Just my guess lol.

qes · 12-07-2016

@thallen @carly @othernoobs

Raeven · 12-07-2016

Just say "lol pinoy" if u lose

Yog · 12-08-2016

Posted by Nanner

Why hack graal? lol. Your much better off hacking mw2 and doing more fun ****

I was banned for joining a challenge lobby : (

Colin · 12-08-2016

Would be nice to see some sort of detection put in place

James' was streaming a few weeks back so I downloaded CE and set my speed to 20x the speed limit and ran up and down the side of the spectator area for a couple minutes to see if it would auto-detect and nothing happened when I was going the full length of the room in just a matter of seconds, now just imagine someone who is smart about it and the speed they choose

James205 · 12-08-2016

Posted by Colin

Would be nice to see some sort of detection put in place

James' was streaming a few weeks back so I downloaded CE and set my speed to 20x the speed limit and ran up and down the side of the spectator area for a couple minutes to see if it would auto-detect and nothing happened when I was going the full length of the room in just a matter of seconds, now just imagine someone who is smart about it and the speed they choose

tbh i respect the honesty. But on the real side more people figuring out there is no true detection right now and how to be safe with it which is why there is a huge uptick. So now people have learned about toggling and not going too far and it's getting out of control

DoubleliftGraal · 12-08-2016

Probably a lil bit irrelevant but I just caught Abood doing some weird crap. I was able to hit him rly easily in spar and halfway, i hit the corner and abood just got hit from nowher lol. That's how he beat me

James205 · 12-08-2016

Posted by DoubleliftGraal

Probably a lil bit irrelevant but I just caught Abood doing some weird crap. I was able to hit him rly easily in spar and halfway, i hit the corner and abood just got hit from nowher lol. That's how he beat me

It's irrelevant in the fact there is no detection and players have found this out so tons of people right now taking advantage of this if they are careful.

But for the call outs right now it's a full witch hunt which proves nothing.

4-Lom · 12-08-2016

*reads previous threads regarding same*

Dusty said, at one point or other...

"The problem with speed-hacking detection is it's fairly easy to catch false-positives and at least on Classic we tend not to do much banning via automatic processes for this reason. The more obvious the speed the easier it is to detect but as it's been said, it's the subtle hackers that are the problem... and that makes it even harder to reliably detect. Typically detection is done by keeping track of your movement, and if a "step" is farther than naturally allowed flag it. But there is a lot that can throw it off. For example, diagonal movement is much faster than horizontal and vertical movement. Also, what about if you're on a horse, or a draisine? What about if you snap around(for example entering a house, then when it finally updates warping you to the entrance)? Things like low framerates and such can throw it off too. When you have all these variables to account for and you're trying to catch minute differences in speed(.65 tiles/second instead of .6 tiles/second), it can be easy to flag non-offenders."

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Aguzo Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 3,027	Speeding in Spar Recently, there has been an increase on the % of people speeding in spar. By speeding I don't mean the obvious one's that move super fast. There are a lot of people going slightly faster than the normal speed. Is there any way to solve this issue? Git Gud? Last edited by Aguzo; 12-07-2016 at 05:43 AM.

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Nanner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,350	Make time go slower and realize every possibly sequence and combo that can be done to overcome the speedness

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James205 The Shaded Leg Join Date: May 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 556	This has become a problem for sure and I'm also seeing an increase in it. I've seen many people doing it including lots of noob accounts and it seems they are being careful about when they toggle it. I know it's always kind of been a problem but as of lately it seems to definitely have an uptick and the worst I've seen it since I've been back (1 year).

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DoubleliftGraal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Nowhere Posts: 658	If these noobs wanna speed, they should do it like Meta-Sonic(The obvious ones that literally warp around the arena like crazy). I guess the only solution for this is for the admins to buy some kinda speeding calculator that calculates pixels per seconds lol

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Red Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 3,255	As someone who spars late into the night (early morning for US players about midnight for pinoys) I see a lot of brazillian and pinoy noob accounts speeding blatantly and sometimes toggling mid spar. Its a huge problem always has been and always will be, there really isn't an easy Fix for it considering most gps won't come near spar rooms unless a player is reported. (more often then not newer players sparring against cheaters don't know you can report others)

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qes Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 732	@thallen @carly @othernoobs

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Raeven Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 499	Just say "lol pinoy" if u lose Last edited by Raeven; 12-08-2016 at 01:09 AM.

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Colin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,204	Would be nice to see some sort of detection put in place James' was streaming a few weeks back so I downloaded CE and set my speed to 20x the speed limit and ran up and down the side of the spectator area for a couple minutes to see if it would auto-detect and nothing happened when I was going the full length of the room in just a matter of seconds, now just imagine someone who is smart about it and the speed they choose

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4-Lom Registered Old Person Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Graal City Restaurant Posts: 4,742	reads previous threads regarding same Dusty said, at one point or other... "The problem with speed-hacking detection is it's fairly easy to catch false-positives and at least on Classic we tend not to do much banning via automatic processes for this reason. The more obvious the speed the easier it is to detect but as it's been said, it's the subtle hackers that are the problem... and that makes it even harder to reliably detect. Typically detection is done by keeping track of your movement, and if a "step" is farther than naturally allowed flag it. But there is a lot that can throw it off. For example, diagonal movement is much faster than horizontal and vertical movement. Also, what about if you're on a horse, or a draisine? What about if you snap around(for example entering a house, then when it finally updates warping you to the entrance)? Things like low framerates and such can throw it off too. When you have all these variables to account for and you're trying to catch minute differences in speed(.65 tiles/second instead of .6 tiles/second), it can be easy to flag non-offenders."