Posted by Fulgore

I have not seen one post containing thought anywhere on these forums from you, and this makes it hard for people to take you seriously. I suggest not returning to forums (or anywhere where you have to use your brain) until you develop some comprehension skills at least. I'm sure the community will thank you.

I understand you don't like me because I normally disagree with a lot of the ideas you support, but there's no reason for you to be so harshly towards me just because I'm against the idea of you getting some extra pixels to go over your head as a reward for sparring (since I guess the seasonal ones aren't enough, but what do I know?)

Saying my posts don't have thought just because I don't agree with you is hardly a valid thing to say, anyone who agrees with me would see that my posts are actually able to back themselves up, and I never jump into an argument where I can't back myself up. I also would not be on these forums if I didn't have some comprehension skills. I would not have been able to even register if I didn't understand how to type.

I don't see Demrow posting that video as a reply to my post as him not taking me seriously, but rather just him not even having anything else to say and not being able to back himself up.

The problem with these forums (and, at that, the community itself) is that when someone disagrees with someone else's idea, people see it as some big fight, when in reality I myself have never said "This is a stupid idea." or "Horrible idea." without actually elaborating on my opinion. When I give an opinion or idea I make sure to elaborate on it. And when I begin to start being "immature", it's because I know there is no longer a point to an argument because I have either a) gotten my point across or b) I know there's nothing else for me to say.

If you don't like me because I don't agree with some of your ideas, then that's fine, but I see it unfair for you to say I lack comprehension skills just because I don't agree with you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Just because I don't agree with your opinions doesn't mean I lack the ability to comprehend anything. Your way isn't always the right way.

Also, the only people I'd see "thanking me" would be you, Thallen, and a bunch of other sparers, which, honestly, doesn't bother me at all.  

So, would anyone mind telling me what Demrow is upset about? the ban? the lack of freedom of speech? the server lag? the bad staff? or all the haters? I'm really confused.  

I don't want to quote the whole thing so space is taken up, but this is in reply to Common Sense.

I'm not saying this because you disagree with me. But a lot of what you used to back up your argument simply does not make sense. Your elaborations on what freedom of speech is defined as and how it's used in this sense are frankly wrong in their application, as are a few other statements made that I'm not going to list for the sake of being concise. Your opinion is not what I was referring to in my post, it's what you used to back it up. I'm fine with different opinions, anyone who isn't is living in some alternate universe. But as far as evidence or facts you use to back them up, I find little to no thought put into it, or perhaps just incorrect thought. While statements can be opinionated, the facts used to arrive at that conclusion can be proven true or false.  

Posted by Kendama

I've been here for 2000+ posts and haven't gotten banned?

Don't blend in so much.  

Posted by Fulgore

Your elaborations on what freedom of speech is defined as and how it's used in this sense are frankly wrong in their application.

I'm curious as to what you're specifically referring to here.  

"Second off: you continuously make the mistake of comparing Graal, which is a small, game company, with larger and richer industries, such as Taco Bell. They are not the same thing. Taco Bell takes the opinion of the majority who has not be influenced by any other source. (i.e. McDonald's paying people to convince Taco Bell to change their meat is an example of people being influenced.) So by you telling people to give one star ratings on the App Store because you think they should? Well, in your own way, you're taking away their freedom of speech. Maybe people want to approach this in a much maturer way. So when you tell people to give a one star rating, they may not want to, and you end up un-coordinated and everything is just a big mess. And when they see that happening, they don't take you to seriously."

Primarily this. For some reason I thought I had read more dealing with the freedom of speech nonsense itself, but upon looking back there were more examples in other parts of his argument that would have fit better than this one. That being said, this is still an example.  

Posted by Fulgore

"Second off: you continuously make the mistake of comparing Graal, which is a small, game company, with larger and richer industries, such as Taco Bell. They are not the same thing. Taco Bell takes the opinion of the majority who has not be influenced by any other source. (i.e. McDonald's paying people to convince Taco Bell to change their meat is an example of people being influenced.) So by you telling people to give one star ratings on the App Store because you think they should? Well, in your own way, you're taking away their freedom of speech. Maybe people want to approach this in a much maturer way. So when you tell people to give a one star rating, they may not want to, and you end up un-coordinated and everything is just a big mess. And when they see that happening, they don't take you to seriously."

Primarily this. For some reason I thought I had read more dealing with the freedom of speech nonsense itself, but upon looking back there were more examples in other parts of his argument that would have fit better than this one. That being said, this is still an example.

You are confusing me. You say I see to lack comprehension skills, which prevents me from making educated posts, and now you're saying one of my other examples would have fit better for this?  

Posted by Fulgore

"Second off: you continuously make the mistake of comparing Graal, which is a small, game company, with larger and richer industries, such as Taco Bell. They are not the same thing. Taco Bell takes the opinion of the majority who has not be influenced by any other source. (i.e. McDonald's paying people to convince Taco Bell to change their meat is an example of people being influenced.) So by you telling people to give one star ratings on the App Store because you think they should? Well, in your own way, you're taking away their freedom of speech. Maybe people want to approach this in a much maturer way. So when you tell people to give a one star rating, they may not want to, and you end up un-coordinated and everything is just a big mess. And when they see that happening, they don't take you to seriously."

Primarily this. For some reason I thought I had read more dealing with the freedom of speech nonsense itself, but upon looking back there were more examples in other parts of his argument that would have fit better than this one. That being said, this is still an example.

I feel like you're missing the core of what he has said because he mentioned "freedom of speech" with it. My understanding is that he feels like 'rate the game 1 star until they fix lag' has the ability to marginalize the actual issue of the game lagging, and in doing so, may remove the capacity for getting the message that "hey, the game is lagging really badly" across. Promoting negative ratings, being passed off more as people causing trouble, and therefore trivializing the actual issue when this is (supposedly) getting the attention of management. That is what he means by "taking away their freedom of speech" because people might disagree with the issue being represented this way, but won't be able to take another route while this kind of campaigning is going on. Yes it is the wrong application, but so is its use in the opening post.

With that in mind, maybe your response was kind of heavy-handed? I think it is healthy for people in a community to provide different perspectives like this. His other mentions of the concept of 'freedom of speech' aren't wrong.  

Posted by Demrow

Hey guys,
I was recently banned for 300 hours for having in my profile "give Graal one star if you're tired of server lag and find the game unplayable" they deemed this "inappropriate behavior". A couple days later a thread titled "give graal one star" on here which is independent from the game was deleted and my ban was increased to 2500 hours. Whether you agree with my criticism of Graal or not these staff and owners continue to violate our rights especially our freedom of speech. Products every day are criticized, reviewed, and tested resulting in both positive and negative feedback without retaliation or punishment. So why Graal? Why are these staff and owners so insecure with their game? Why are dishing out ludacris bans against people who speak out about the game. I never forced anyone to write or rate the game poorly. If they were experiencing lag or delay I simply reminded them if you're not happy with the product that rating and reviewing might grab their attention. I wanted to share this because I see it as a gross injustice and something more people should stand up against.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOUR BAN WAS INCREASED TO 2500 HOURS I LOVE THE STAFF.

And they aren't violating your "rights". It's their game, they can permanently ban you if they want and you couldn't do anything. See what your constant complaining got you? Just quit now.  

Posted by Rufus

I feel like you're missing the core of what he has said because he mentioned "freedom of speech" with it. My understanding is that he feels like 'rate the game 1 star until they fix lag' has the ability to marginalize the actual issue of the game lagging, and in doing so, may remove the capacity for getting the message that "hey, the game is lagging really badly" across. Promoting negative ratings, being passed off more as people causing trouble, and therefore trivializing the actual issue when this is (supposedly) getting the attention of management. That is what he means by "taking away their freedom of speech" because people might disagree with the issue being represented this way, but won't be able to take another route while this kind of campaigning is going on. Yes it is the wrong application, but so is its use in the opening post.

With that in mind, maybe your response was kind of heavy-handed? I think it is healthy for people in a community to provide different perspectives like this. His other mentions of the concept of 'freedom of speech' aren't wrong.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant.  

Posted by Rufus

I feel like you're missing the core of what he has said because he mentioned "freedom of speech" with it. My understanding is that he feels like 'rate the game 1 star until they fix lag' has the ability to marginalize the actual issue of the game lagging, and in doing so, may remove the capacity for getting the message that "hey, the game is lagging really badly" across. Promoting negative ratings, being passed off more as people causing trouble, and therefore trivializing the actual issue when this is (supposedly) getting the attention of management. That is what he means by "taking away their freedom of speech" because people might disagree with the issue being represented this way, but won't be able to take another route while this kind of campaigning is going on. Yes it is the wrong application, but so is its use in the opening post.

With that in mind, maybe your response was kind of heavy-handed? I think it is healthy for people in a community to provide different perspectives like this. His other mentions of the concept of 'freedom of speech' aren't wrong.

Don't end sentences with a preposition. It's hard to read what you're writing because you're trying so hard.

It's hard to defend or rationalize a point that initially made zero sense. You're saying that by having "Give Graal one star if you find that the server lags and if you find the game unplayable" in my profile, that this some how hinders other approaches in fixing the issue? And that by doing what I'm doing somehow takes away the games staff freedom of speech? WTF!?

Posted by Distorted

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOUR BAN WAS INCREASED TO 2500 HOURS I LOVE THE STAFF.

And they aren't violating your "rights". It's their game, they can permanently ban you if they want and you couldn't do anything. See what your constant complaining got you? Just quit now.

Captain oblivious

Yeah I'm banned which makes the game unplayable (which it already was with the lag, am I right? haha) but which makes quitting unnecessary.  

Posted by Demrow

Don't end sentences with a preposition. It's hard to read what you're writing because you're trying so hard.

The sentence that you have highlighted was ended with a phrasal verb. I'm aware that you brought it up as a red herring, but recommend that you look up the appropriation of phrasal verbs at the end of sentences to avoid further derailing the thread.

Posted by Demrow

It's hard to defend or rationalize a point that initially made zero sense. You're saying that by having "Give Graal one star if you find that the server lags and if you find the game unplayable" in my profile, that this some how hinders other approaches in fixing the issue? And that by doing what I'm doing somehow takes away the games staff freedom of speech? WTF!?

Not sure why you are responding to me when you didn't respond to the original poster. I didn't say any of this, since I basically just posted an interpretation of someone else's post and their point of view. Then again, he didn't post any of that either so I just don't get it.  

Honestly I dislike the new gp
Axel74 seems like a good one and a few others like Td but most of em Are Just bad
For example zinnia doesnt do anything around graal she would just host events and now she doesnt she would only ban those who rebel against her not the hackers and bad players just the player who says Zinnia sucks

I honestly think that The gp team needs a rework I might join it and try to reform it because leadership is my thing.

This games small so things like that hurt it alot I guess in deffence to whoever banned you but then again it shows how insecure they are about preserving bread your ban time shouldve been what I got when i harassed xor which was 169

I might post a thread about Removing the staffs ability to host events and making a real event team

We have no rights in an online games we are not allowed to use the internet to fully communicate our thaughts and ideas what has society become
Is this even legal do we have Graalian rights?  

Posted by Sardon

Honestly I dislike the new gp
Axel74 seems like a good one and a few others like Td but most of em Are Just bad
For example zinnia doesnt do anything around graal she would just host events and now she doesnt she would only ban those who rebel against her not the hackers and bad players just the player who says Zinnia sucks

I honestly think that The gp team needs a rework I might join it and try to reform it because leadership is my thing.

This games small so things like that hurt it alot I guess in deffence to whoever banned you but then again it shows how insecure they are about preserving bread your ban time shouldve been what I got when i harassed xor which was 169

I might post a thread about Removing the staffs ability to host events and making a real event team

We have no rights in an online games we are not allowed to use the internet to fully communicate our thaughts and ideas what has society become
Is this even legal do we have Graalian rights?

This came out of nowhere. Guess all you're worries about are events huh?  

Instead of ranting and complaining about the lag, how about YOU personally ask them to fix it instead of telling everyone that is disagreeing with your strategy.

This is the most absurd complain ever in my life