Posted by Froggy Krueger

I skipped most of the pages in this thread, but I am of the opinion that any time a weapon is nerfed, players should get their money for it back. It's kind of a cheap tactic of taking gralats out of the 'economy', and while overflow is not good, this is, in a way, scamming

Hmmm.. Why do you think staff say scamming is legal? So maybe they can also do it to players.  

Posted by slasher

Hmmm.. Why do you think staff say scamming is legal? So maybe they can also do it to players.

Staff scamming is illegal, buddy.  

Meph, I admire your work ethic.  

Posted by slasher

Hmmm.. Why do you think staff say scamming is legal? So maybe they can also do it to players.

Scamming is advertised as 'legal' to give fair warning to use common sense.

There was once a time on PC Era when scamming was deemed "illegal". I happened to be a GP(Graal Police) at the time. It was difficult to give justice to people claiming they were scammed because of these scenarios:

• PlayerA let PlayerB borrow a weapon, and PlayerB decided to keep it.
• PlayerA was friends with PlayerB, and they put their money together to purchase a BAR. Now they're not friends anymore, and they both want to keep it.
• PlayerA wants to buy a Metalstorm, PlayerB says he has one, puts a Metal Handle in the trade window, PlayerA believes it's a Metalstorm and adds money, accepts the trade, and buys a Metal Handle for 150k.
• PlayerA claims PlayerB scammed him when he accidentally dropped his P90 on the floor and PlayerB picked it up.
• PlayerA and PlayerB made a trade through three trade mediums(drop, /trade and /itemtrade), and somebody got screwed over.
• PlayerA got on Graal drunk and dropped his items on the floor at unstick me. He blamed PlayerB when he sobered up.

These are actual scenarios I encountered on a regular basis.
Yes- People even claimed they got scammed when there were several trade systems in effect.

We used to spend hours going through trade logs, item trade logs, and drop logs because people didn't use common sense. I've gone through item logs lapsing over a course of two months to find out where an item derived, who initially purchased it, and how it got to where it is now. Over time, it was decided that it was wasting our time. Also, just because a log file says an item was dropped by PlayerA and picked up by PlayerB doesn't mean that it was a scam. There's simply too many variables to give correct justice. Sometimes, innocent players were jailed, and lost an item that was rightfully theirs.

This is why it's advertised as "legal".
I don't believe it should be advertised, because it puts the idea of scamming in plain sight.

I've played for 10 years and never once been scammed. I've always said that scammers are smart people taking advantage of naive people. The Scammer is a breed of person that exists in the real world- if you get scammed, take it as a life lesson. I'd rather you learn the lesson in a game than in real life.

Edit:
I'm explaining why scamming is legal for those of you who weren't around in 2006.
This is nothing against slasher.  

Hehe..logged onto graal drunk...  

True story.  

I feel bad when meph types all these paragraphs and other people type from a few sentences to a paragraph, either complaining, asking, or stated something wrong. =(. You have some strong fingers, Meph.  

Posted by Kiko

we need, we need, we need.
I have never heard someone say "Thanks for this new feature!"

Also, no.  

no.  

Posted by Meph

Okay- Thanks for bringing this up again.
Been trying to focus on the regular guns, but this seems to be a repeating issue.

I think I may have played my Era for the day though- I was playing with Famas(received a request to buff-- it's fine, doesn't need a buff. I actually enjoy it.), Bamboo Rod (Another complaint- gotta look further at tomorrow.) MP40 (buffed to 7 damage), Olympic Rings (Added a freeze and lowered the spread), and did some sparring.

Tonight I've got 25 pages of Government, plus 10 pages of Humanities to read.
If I have time afterwards, I'll play with the Lightsaber and see what I can do.
Otherwise, I'll definitely look at it tomorrow.

Can you also look at the umbrella melee to alongside with the saber?  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Also WHERES THE LOGIC! Famas shoots a 1000 RPM (rounds per minute) yet era makes it one of the slowest guns in game. Also how era makes a m1 carbine boltaction when its SEMI AUTO and reloads with a MAGAZINE. Not by loading a clip through the top of the gun. DAFUQ ERA DO SOME RESEARCH

You're right, let's buff the Famas' rate of fire to 16 rounds per second. Genius!

Posted by slasher

Hmmm.. Why do you think staff say scamming is legal? So maybe they can also do it to players.

ha.  

Posted by Meph

Scamming is advertised as 'legal' to give fair warning to use common sense.

There was once a time on PC Era when scamming was deemed "illegal". I happened to be a GP(Graal Police) at the time. It was difficult to give justice to people claiming they were scammed because of these scenarios:

• PlayerA let PlayerB borrow a weapon, and PlayerB decided to keep it.
• PlayerA was friends with PlayerB, and they put their money together to purchase a BAR. Now they're not friends anymore, and they both want to keep it.
• PlayerA wants to buy a Metalstorm, PlayerB says he has one, puts a Metal Handle in the trade window, PlayerA believes it's a Metalstorm and adds money, accepts the trade, and buys a Metal Handle for 150k.
• PlayerA claims PlayerB scammed him when he accidentally dropped his P90 on the floor and PlayerB picked it up.
• PlayerA and PlayerB made a trade through three trade mediums(drop, /trade and /itemtrade), and somebody got screwed over.
• PlayerA got on Graal drunk and dropped his items on the floor at unstick me. He blamed PlayerB when he sobered up.

These are actual scenarios I encountered on a regular basis.
Yes- People even claimed they got scammed when there were several trade systems in effect.

We used to spend hours going through trade logs, item trade logs, and drop logs because people didn't use common sense. I've gone through item logs lapsing over a course of two months to find out where an item derived, who initially purchased it, and how it got to where it is now. Over time, it was decided that it was wasting our time. Also, just because a log file says an item was dropped by PlayerA and picked up by PlayerB doesn't mean that it was a scam. There's simply too many variables to give correct justice. Sometimes, innocent players were jailed, and lost an item that was rightfully theirs.

This is why it's advertised as "legal".
I don't believe it should be advertised, because it puts the idea of scamming in plain sight.

I've played for 10 years and never once been scammed. I've always said that scammers are smart people taking advantage of naive people. The Scammer is a breed of person that exists in the real world- if you get scammed, take it as a life lesson. I'd rather you learn the lesson in a game than in real life.

Edit:
I'm explaining why scamming is legal for those of you who weren't around in 2006.
This is nothing against slasher.

I was just assuming that's what froggy was saying  

@Meph: Guns are droppable in PC Era? :O  

Posted by RedBoy786*

@Meph: Guns are droppable in PC Era? :O

Um.. Yes.  

Posted by RedBoy786*

@Meph: Guns are droppable in PC Era? :O

Yes. For quite a while.

Until about 2004, we had something called a "trading basket", where you cycled through your items(above your head) and could drop items that way. This was until Era got their own GUIs and inventory, and was using the default classic inventory/GUI.

Then they came out with their own inventory, and with it you could hold Q, click an item, release Q, drag the item to either side of your player, release to drop, arrow up/down to set the number.

Then came the malls-- the first real secure way to trade without staff intervention. Then came the itemtrade system.

We could always drop and trade items. It stimulates the economy. I'm totally supportive of it solely because it's been a successful system on PC Era.