Posted by Yogy*

I have read mephs thread and if saber will lose the reflekt, I promise no one will ever use saber. Its the most stupid and terrible idea Ever. 100ec item doesent worth the light stick that 1. Stopped blocking melees. 2. Block using became a risk to die. 3. No reflekting allies bullets. 4. No changing dirrections.
If you bring back change dirrection but take away reflekt, i would prefer leave it like it is now. Saber does not worth 100 ec bring it to normal or make it 30 ec. Thats what is worth. 30ec. If umbrella that people usualy scamm will beat saber, please refound mine.

I agree completely

Posted by Johnaudi

We don't do refunds.

You should. When i bought my pbp it said in the description it did 8 damage but it was actually 4 bullets with 4 damage each. I was pissed but didnt complain cus it was still cool. And what im really pissed about is that i bought the steampunk pistol because it was a good gun only to have it nerfed 2 days later!  

Posted by islander13

I agree completely

You should. When i bought my pbp it said in the description it did 8 damage but it was actually 4 bullets with 4 damage each. I was pissed but didnt complain cus it was still cool. And what im really pissed about is that i bought the steampunk pistol because it was a good gun only to have it nerfed 2 days later!

Why should there be refunds?  

Posted by islander13

And what im really pissed about is that i bought the steampunk pistol because it was a good gun only to have it nerfed 2 days later!

OH NO! 6500 GRALATS LOST! WE MUST MAKE UP FOR HIS PAIN BY GIVING HIM 10K!!!!!11!!!111!1!  

Posted by Engel

Because it's more expensive doesn't necessarily have to mean it's better. Also, when you buy a weapon it has a description saying how much damage it does. You knew what you were getting into before buying it, and on top of that; it's just a weapon not alot of people have, it's special and therefor it doesn't have to be any better than the "normal" melees.

Before i was getting it was the item that worth 100 ec, now it doesent. 100 ec is much harder than scamm an umbrella so saber must be better than umbrella.  

I skipped most of the pages in this thread, but I am of the opinion that any time a weapon is nerfed, players should get their money for it back. It's kind of a cheap tactic of taking gralats out of the 'economy', and while overflow is not good, this is, in a way, scamming  

Again meph, please play with scimitar. Its worse than hunter and cost 30 ec for some reason.
I like meph, he does the right thing when plays with the item to feel like we feel about it.  

Posted by islander13

I agree completely

You should. When i bought my pbp it said in the description it did 8 damage but it was actually 4 bullets with 4 damage each. I was pissed but didnt complain cus it was still cool. And what im really pissed about is that i bought the steampunk pistol because it was a good gun only to have it nerfed 2 days later!

The lightsaber started getting nerfed the same day I bought it...  

Posted by Zero02

Why should there be refunds?

I just provided an example...

Posted by Sup3rn00b

OH NO! 6500 GRALATS LOST! WE MUST MAKE UP FOR HIS PAIN BY GIVING HIM 10K!!!!!11!!!111!1!

I didnt join the forums to spread the hate like a lot of you do, but you're an asshole

Posted by Froggy Krueger

I skipped most of the pages in this thread, but I am of the opinion that any time a weapon is nerfed, players should get their money for it back. It's kind of a cheap tactic of taking gralats out of the 'economy', and while overflow is not good, this is, in a way, scamming

^This  

I, and many others warned you about the nerfs coming. Well, for the steam punk pistol anyway. Those of you who listened: you're welcome.  

Posted by Yogy*

Again meph, please play with scimitar. Its worse than hunter and cost 30 ec for some reason.
I like meph, he does the right thing when plays with the item to feel like we feel about it.

Comparing the descriptions of the hunter knife and scimitar, it is obvious that there is a damage difference in favor of the hunter knife. I believe the higher price corresponds to the rarity of the item, especially since few would work to get 30 event coins then spend it on something weaker than a 20 event coin item. Therefore it does not deserves a buff, especially since there wasn't any change to the item's performance after its release. Having a higher price doesn't essentially mean it has to be better...  

But the admins have to or else people would complain and say "I sue you, I b nobe"
=). It would be a lot of spam, and we all don't want spam. Even if it is rare, why would it be rare if it was weak?  

Okay, to clear up confusion, I'll organize by items covered in this thread:
Thanks again for your input.

Lightsaber

• Will most likely not have its reflect taken away. I was only giving examples on ways I could think of separating the Lightsaber from the Umbrella. Sorry if I scared you.
• Will be better than the Umbrella. Winning 100 events is much more of a challenge than just buying an Umbrella.
• Will be checked out tomorrow. It may not necessarily be fixed tomorrow, because some of my adjustments may have to go through Snk, but I will definitely have some basis of improvement laid out tomorrow.

Steam Punk Pistol

• Was nerfed because it was too powerful for its price.
• Is now comparative to the AP7, DEagle, and MK23. They're in the same class and price range.

PBP Shotgun

• I'm not convinced that it needs to be buffed. I've seen the damage it does in basing as it is now. It'd be insane to improve on it.
• It does 4 damage per bullet, but it's a shotgun-- your goal isn't to land one bullet on your opponents, it's to land multiple.
• It fires 4 bullets, a potential 16 damage up close. Upgrading it to 8 damage would pose it to do 32 damage.
• Damage is stacked by how many bullets land a hit. It's a close range weapon/door buster.
• I'll look at the other shotguns and make sure it's outclassing them.

Scimitar

• I wasn't aware there was a problem with this. I'll look into it within the next couple days, along with the other EC melees.
• I'll level them out. This includes Hunter Knife.

Artillery Cannon

• Wasn't covered in this thread, but I'll let you know it's on my list to give some unique value to separate it from the other cannons.

Umbrella

• Will work on the Lightsaber first, then the Umbrella. It's easier to start with the upper tier and figure out what to tweak on the lower tiers.

Shipka
I'm thinking of doing one of two things with this.

• 1) Lowering the price and reimbursing those who have already bought it with the difference.
  The nature of this gun(the fact that it shoots two bullets) makes it to where it can only go so fast before it's overpowered-- and it's about at the max right now.
  
• 2) I could do to improve it would be to make it to where both bullets stack damage like a shotgun, and do it about 6 damage(a potential 12dmg in one shot).
• Like everything else, I'll put it to the test and see how it fairs.

REFUNDING
I'm trying to work with the prices that are already set, and base the weapons around that.-- I don't want to do refunds. This will create uproar and everybody will want a refund for every gun they're not satisfied with.

Admittedly, it's making my job rather difficult because items were previously released without taking the other items of its class into consideration. They wanted to stimulate the game and satisfy the peoples' request for updates. Which is absolutely admirable, but I believe they should have been more conscious of the repercussions. These repercussions include, but are not limited to future nerfing of these very items that were praised in updates because the consideration is taken after the fact.

That's why I'm making these weapon changes very carefully and gradually. I'm sparring with these weapons, I'm basing with these weapons, I'm testing them before, during, and after my adjustments-- Just as I always have in my previous Guns Admin positions. I'm testing them on other accounts through Facebook App, and the iPad.

The only exception I would make on refunds if if I truly believe that a gun cannot be improved any further than it is, and it was way overpriced. Perfect example is the Shipka(see above).  

All shotguns just need to be lowerprices and take off the stupid stak damage crap. I get it that the point of a shotgun is to land multiple hits, however when the bullets are the size of your avatars hand it makes it WAY too easy to land 4 shots. Thats why all shotguns should just be reverted to no stak damage, low damage, insanley low freeze, and normal damages.

Also EHEM the famas. Seriously, waaaaay to overpriced when it is just a full auto steampunk .

Also WHERES THE LOGIC! Famas shoots a 1000 RPM (rounds per minute) yet era makes it one of the slowest guns in game. Also how era makes a m1 carbine boltaction when its SEMI AUTO and reloads with a MAGAZINE. Not by loading a clip through the top of the gun. DAFUQ ERA DO SOME RESEARCH

Also ap7 needs MAJOR reload time buff. Smallest clip and slowest reload outa all handguns :/  

Posted by Yogy*

I have read mephs thread and if saber will lose the reflekt, I promise no one will ever use saber. Its the most stupid and terrible idea Ever. 100ec item doesent worth the light stick that 1. Stopped blocking melees. 2. Block using became a risk to die. 3. No reflekting allies bullets. 4. No changing dirrections.
If you bring back change dirrection but take away reflekt, i would prefer leave it like it is now. Saber does not worth 100 ec bring it to normal or make it 30 ec. Thats what is worth. 30ec. If umbrella that people usualy scamm will beat saber, please refound mine.

P.S. if it will lose reflekt, its bamboo that cost 100 ec but has different colors.

After reviewing the spelling and grammar errors in this statement I am required to ask you if you would like to sign up for any state mandated tutoring programs.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

All shotguns just need to be lowerprices and take off the stupid stak damage crap. I get it that the point of a shotgun is to land multiple hits, however when the bullets are the size of your avatars hand it makes it WAY too easy to land 4 shots. Thats why all shotguns should just be reverted to no stak damage, low damage, insanley low freeze, and normal damages.

Covered in a thread that will be posted momentarily.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Also EHEM the famas. Seriously, waaaaay to overpriced when it is just a full auto steampunk .

I thought it felt nice.
I'll check it out again.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Also WHERES THE LOGIC! Famas shoots a 1000 RPM (rounds per minute) yet era makes it one of the slowest guns in game. Also how era makes a m1 carbine boltaction when its SEMI AUTO and reloads with a MAGAZINE. Not by loading a clip through the top of the gun. DAFUQ ERA DO SOME RESEARCH

Lol, this has been going on for over 10 years.
Era's never really used logic with guns.

It's really only the automatic and semi-automatic weapons that lack the properties of their real-life counterparts. I believe they've never been logical because, as time progressed and more weapons were released, they had to create more variety than just "faster gun".

In fact, Old era's guns were no faster than the current speed of the Famas(In freeze, and rate of fire). It was much more competitive back then, because more emphasis was put on timing your shots. You were penalized back then for spraying. You couldn't al-pacino your way through a spar. This, coupled with the bullet dodging that faster walk speed permitted, made PKing much more tactical.

Handguns and shotguns are pretty self explanatory. If they were logical, shotguns would reign supreme.