The more staff work for free on graal, the less unixmad will care about us.  

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I wonder how many people were promised to be paid when doing work for Graal by Unixmand but never were. I don't know how this game doesn't get sued more often.  

Posted by Alphus

The more staff work for free on graal, the less unixmad will care about us.

This world is full of suckers. Either you're a giver or you're a taker.  

I see it as a double edge sword. On one side you are providing people with experiences in different fields and creating a grassroots community, on the other its an asshole who only cares bout money.  

Yeah hone your skills as a developer on this ****ty game so you can move on to a better game and make some real $$$.  

Start off doing what you do on Graal, develop your talents on the sever for awhile. Move on to something bigger and better later on.  

Graal isn't an internship. I can't even speak anything here about the truth of this game without posts being deleted, but FYI, there is no reason in the universe why developers should not be making money  

Posted by Conquest

Graal isn't an internship. I can't even speak anything here about the truth of this game without posts being deleted, but FYI, there is no reason in the universe why developers should not be making money

well when you used to want to talk **** about Graal you could use Graal Reborn, idk anymore though  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

well when you used to want to talk **** about Graal you could use Graal Reborn, idk anymore though

It isn't even talking ****; you can't speak THE TRUTH because of some seriously shady **** going on.  

Without all the volunteer staff Graal would not have had the support to be able to still be alive. Graal is possibly the longest running MMO online ever. It was originally one of the first MMO's with graphics ever created and populations has increased massively too since the last 5 years. (Well over 1000%). The potential is still very much there as it's always been.

Unfortunately it's lack of focus, direction, appreciation (to staff and players alike), and service from the ownership has kept it from a faster growth imo. Nonetheless I'm proud and happy with how far its come, regardless of what some other respected original players might say.

Also many players who don't volunteer their time as staff however take the time to provide detailed suggestions and sharing their ideas helps tremendously to continue to see a progressive development.

Personally, I'd like to say thanks to the entire Graal team (current and past) and players for your contributions and support. No one is perfect but continue to strive to do better and it'll just happen. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year! <3  

Posted by contego

Without all the volunteer staff Graal would not have had the support to be able to still be alive. Graal is possibly the longest running MMO online ever. It was originally one of the first MMO's with graphics ever created and populations has increased massively too since the last 5 years. (Well over 1000%). The potential is still very much there as it's always been.

Unfortunately it's lack of focus, direction, appreciation (to staff and players alike), and service from the ownership has kept it from a faster growth imo. Nonetheless I'm proud and happy with how far its come, regardless of what some other respected original players might say.

Also many players who don't volunteer their time as staff however take the time to provide detailed suggestions and sharing their ideas helps tremendously to continue to see a progressive development.

Personally, I'd like to say thanks to the entire Graal team (current and past) and players for your contributions and support. No one is perfect but continue to strive to do better and it'll just happen. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year! <3

This game has literally made millions of dollars, and when they began charging people for my content in 2001 (this sounds ridiculous, but it's true) they made close to $100,000. Give me $50,000 and I'll build you one helluva game. This game has not thrived on volunteers, it has squandered money and leeched off of volunteers and there's a difference; this is why the game hasn't changed much at all; it isn't "owned" by game developers, although they claim. It's "owned" by salesmen with server support.  

I'm not going to doubt that you could develop a game for $50k. However I don't believe you would do better than unixmad, in my honest opinion. Primarily because I think you'd be a challenge to work or communicate effectively/productively with. I would have rather seen Brett running Graal back then. Although he would only say "no" and "shut".. oh of course there'd be the occasional "nini ugly".  

Posted by contego

I'm not going to doubt that you could develop a game for $50k. However I don't believe you would do better than unixmad, in my honest opinion. Primarily because I think you'd be a challenge to work or communicate effectively/productively with. I would have rather seen Brett running Graal back then. Although he would only say "no" and "shut".. oh of course there'd be the occasional "nini ugly".

Contego, no offense but you don't anything about me to be making such claims. I will speak for myself, and not only could I design and develop a better game, as well as manage—but I could also run one better. Quite frankly I've been through enough I refuse to take this from you or anyone else. Good luck living in your fantasies; and FYI, "customer support" shouldn't be the forefront of a good game. I'm done entertaining this delusion  

Case in point. =)