Another thing I've been thinking about is the way that Delteria has used these forums essentially as a boost to start their own forums. They've advertised them here, they've posted official threads here, and they've linked here on their Facebook page, but now they're planning on just denouncing, abandoning, and working against these forums.

Interpret that as you like.  

Posted by Jester Lapse

Okay, first off, there is a large difference between one person posting things and "leaving it open for interpretation" and saying flat out Delteria is stealing. The latter implies that EVERYONE on the team is out to manipulate in some way or claim credit for what they did not do. Me being on the graphics team, was given a history lesson by Zerith about Sandz and other GFX artist before even him that contributed to the server and what they did, so it is not like all of us are ignorant to the history. At least on the end I see it, we are not.

Secondly, when people post screenshots on the Facebook page of iDelteria, no one is claiming anything there. I think it is common knowledge that iDelteria was made as a team, past and present, and will continue down that path. Just because the same person is posting pictures does not mean that they claim credit for anything in that picture. It is the Delteria Facebook page, and it is about Delteria, not about who made what. It sounds like you want the poster to put in the comments "so and so made this, so and so made that, etc"? What other server does that? Why should we? We are a team, and we expect players to know that everyone, somehow has contributed.

I have not used the iRC nor do I plan to nor do I know the backstory to that. Your point there may very well be valid, but again, that is one person, not the whole team. When you say Delteria steals or rips, you accuse every person that works there. That is what I am taking from these posts, and it is complete BS.

 

Posted by MattKan

Another thing I've been thinking about is the way that Delteria has used these forums essentially as a boost to start their own forums. They've advertised them here, they've posted official threads here, and they've linked here on their Facebook page, but now they're planning on just denouncing, abandoning, and working against these forums.

Interpret that as you like.

You think too much.  

Posted by Jester Lapse

Like I said, there may very well be some ode to old developers within the game. However, expecting the current staff team to run around educating people on the history of graal pc and the likes is utter crap. Did iEra do that? Did iZone do that? Did iClassic do that? You expect these things from Delteria, yet never expected them from any other server, why is that?

You said that players were expected to know the history of Delteria and that people were expected to know about the staff team, etc. of the past. Classic and Era did not say that, and therefore don't advertise it everywhere. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that you can't expect people to know everything about your server if you don't tell them about it.

Posted by Jester Lapse

Really, the only solution to the problem you are having is for the management to stop posting pictures and videos and giving teasers that the majority of players have been asking for.

Is that really the only solution? Perhaps the management could start posting things in a much less passive-agressive way and actually giving credit where credit is due.

Posted by Jester Lapse

You do have a point, when I first joined iClassic, I had no idea there was a PC side of Graal. Now that I do, not much has changed besides the fact that I now can develop in some form. I honestly do not understand what you are asking of the team to do. You wish for us to just stop developing to give a history lesson of the server? If so, I ask why you want this of us and not any other server.

I never really wanted you to 'give a history lesson' of the server. Honestly, a little bit of "thanks" somewhere on the Facebook page would go a long way. I'm only saying that, if you're going to expect the players to know about the server (which you said you do, in fact, expect them to), then you need to educate them instead of keeping them in the dark. Once again, your comparison to the other servers is irrelevant because they don't expect their players to know everything about the history of their server.

Posted by Jester Lapse

You want things, yet we are not even released yet, we are not even ready to stop developing. We have one thing in mind, moving forward and releasing, only then, can we stop for a moment and look back.

The only two things I really want from you guys is to stop taking credit for the work that you did not do, and, like I posted initially in this thread, to work together to enhance the community rather than divide it up.  

Not sure if this was posted, Saying that Delteria was ripped is pretty dumb. The people worked for Delteria in the past help make the server, and the server still continues as of today to grow each day. It's like saying if all the LAT quit then every new LAT stole the orginal work. They did not, they simply continued to expand on Delteria. (Not sure of Delterias past but this is just my opinion)  

Posted by Tizmiz

Not sure if this was posted, Saying that Delteria was ripped is pretty dumb. The people worked for Delteria in the past help make the server, and the server still continues as of today to grow each day. It's like saying if all the LAT quit then every new LAT stole the orginal work. They did not, they simply continued to expand on Delteria. (Not sure of Delterias past but this is just my opinion)

I agree with you, but wouldn't you agree that it would still be an issue if the new LATs took credit for the work that the old LATs did?  

Posted by MattKan

I agree with you, but wouldn't you agree that it would still be an issue if the new LATs took credit for the work that the old LATs did?

I don't think anyone has taken credit, if they have then I think that is disrespectful. The creation of Delteria was a team effort that has been expanding over the years.  

Bloody freaking hell. Way to twist my words. I said I expect players to know that the content being made has been made as a team, not by one person, not by one era.

Posted by Jester Lapse

I think it is common knowledge that iDelteria was made as a team, past and present, and will continue down that path.

We are a team, and we expect players to know that everyone, somehow has contributed.

don't misuse my words. I think anyone with half a brain knows by now that delteria is a team effort of those before us and those presently working.

This talk is going in circles. If you are really yapping at the management's heels just so they will publicly say thank you to previous staff, then really, what the actual **** matt.

I really have no further comments on this, everything that I wanted to say was said. Think what you wish about delteria secretly wanting to start a revolution and split up the community. I guess you will only see the truth when it is smack in your face. See ya at release.  

Posted by Jester Lapse

Bloody freaking hell. Way to twist my words. I said I expect players to know that the content being made has been made as a team, not by one person, not by one era.


don't misuse my words. I think anyone with half a brain knows by now that delteria is a team effort of those before us and those presently working.

This talk is going in circles. If you are really yapping at the management's heels just so they will publicly say thank you to previous staff, then really, what the actual **** matt.

I really have no further comments on this, everything that I wanted to say was said. Think what you wish about delteria secretly wanting to start a revolution and split up the community. I guess you will only see the truth when it is smack in your face. See ya at release.

 

Posted by MattKan

Rufus has already said that he'd add a Delteria sub forum once the server was released or announced by Stefan that it is coming soon.

if that is what will happen then this whole thread is moot and unnecessary.
Its not Delterias fault that Rufus won't make the subforum.  

Everything

This thread has just gone in broken circles and stemmed new, irrelevant arguments. I still stand by my beliefs, however, and I still think you guys should stick to these forums instead of breaking up the community. Whether you intend to or not, you basically are.

Posted by Rexx

if that is what will happen then this whole thread is moot and unnecessary.
Its not Delterias fault that Rufus won't make the subforum.

I don't understand why Rufus should give special treatment to Delteria. There are other potential iServers such as iGK, Ol' West, Rudora, etc. As I said before, he'll give them a subforum when Stefan announces their server. If they had wanted to work out something out of the ordinary and get a subforum early on, they probably could have, but they chose not to and to pursue their own forums instead.  

Posted by MattKan

I don't understand why Rufus should give special treatment to Delteria. There are other potential iServers such as iGK, Ol' West, Rudora, etc. As I said before, he'll give them a subforum when Stefan announces their server. If they had wanted to work out something out of the ordinary and get a subforum early on, they probably could have, but they chose not to and to pursue their own forums instead.

I nor Delteria was ever asking for special treatment. Tell that to the people who are demanding a Delteria subforum.

Just because Delteria has their own forums doesn't mean Graalians can't or they are against Graalians. Is everyone here ******ed or something?  

I believe the real reason why we want our own forums is because it is more organized (this forum is organized to). What I'm trying to say is that the sub forums are not organized at all. Take a look at the Delteria forums and you can see that we have our own sections for certain topics, instead of having everything in one list.  

Here's what I think Delteria should do:

1. First and foremost, try to work something out with Rufus. He's actually a reasonable guy!
2. Get a sub-forum added to these forums.
3. Inside the sub-forum, you could try to set up a completely different V-Bulletin skin based on Delteria to give your server a really cool look. It would differentiate and separate itself from the rest of the forums while, at the same time, keep the same playerbase and people. Best of all, you'd have a really cool looking sub forums with 4,921 members already signed up!
4. Oh, and you can add many different sub-subforums within your subforum kinda like how there's a Guild Centre, etc. inside Classic's subforum. This would solve the issue Tizmiz posted about above.
5. Get your moderators set up. We've already established that Rufus won't want your entire team set up as moderators. Keep in mind, though, that there's a reason for this. This site isn't supposed to be overly moderated. Like I said, Rufus is a reasonable guy... you just gotta see his side of things.
6. If you need to set up anything else (you guys have talked about having stats connected to your forums in the past) just talk to Rufus and you and him can work something out.

Why though?

• It will give you a giant community to start out with. This server currently has over 4,000 users registered and many of them are active users.
• You won't have to worry about advertising your forums much. You guys have focused on advertising your forums here quite frequently and none of that effort would be neccessary. Additionally, these forums are advertised via the fanbase on Facebook and the iServers themselves quite frequently. You're basically insured easy and free advertising.
• You help to keep the community going. Right now, this is it for many Graalians. Lots of us don't play Graal much but we still hang out in a community. Many of us are congregating around here. Another forums is going to break that community up a bit. Right now we have a central hub with a lot of potential, and it just makes sense for Delteria to take advantage of that rather than trying to start afresh.
• Your forums automatically become sponsored by a kick-butt Minecraft server that you can all come and play on. ;]
• You give back to this site that has basically been your number one source of advertisement.
• You get free help moderating from the staff here.
• You wouldn't have to work so hard to maintain the site like you currently do.
• It's free hosting for you guys.
• As this site expands and gets bigger in the future, you will always be able to hold onto that success.
• Lots of people would be impressed by your decision and their opinions about Delteria would change accordingly.

 

Posted by Furryamigo

I think (emphasise on the word think) the reason why some people are so upset about this, is because so far the Graal iOS community is pretty well connected between servers. Most Classic players are kept up to date with the happenings in the other two servers and vice versa. Developers between servers are close friends.

Delteria having their own forums is completly fine, I made an account there a long time ago. But completly shutting out the graalians community is kind of like an insult to loyal graal players. It is almost like saying "We don't want to be associated with the rest of the graal mobile community", which can be understandable considering these are unofficial forums, but the fact that this site brings in hundreds of players everyday makes it pretty real.

Will Delteria lose any playercount because they shut out graalians? No, but it does keep them out of them loop slightly with players from other servers.

I'm really not going to get into this to much, but we post updates on delteria.net and on Graalians, so we don't "Cut Graalians Out". I personally like Graalians its a great Community forums, if it wasn't we wouldn't waste our time posting updates (Rufus did a good job on that), So we do waste that extra 2 minutes to use both forums . Our plan with Delterias forums is to make it apart of the server. Achievements in forum profiles, Player Cards,In-Game Stats and a armory system to look up items. We have a lot planned that really wont work with Graalians even if we wanted to. So we decided to go the other route.
@Dusty
When we say we're the first we really are, and when we say this we don't mean by the first to achieve going public or a server that actually has playable content. We mean a server of Delterias uniqueness. Delteria is Delteria and I love to say its the first of its kind, It's different.