Posted by MrSimons

Change my view:

Islam is not a religion of peace.

Nice. I didn't want to admit this for a while either, and then I reflected and realized that it's because I don't want to be wrongly viewed as some xenophobe, racist, etc. You come to learn that if you allow that fear to suppress what you believe is true then you're just as bad off as those who are being shackled by a religion as destructive as Islam.

I'm Atheist, but I don't try to convert anyone. If you ask me what I think of religion, I'd say it's all bad in one way or another. However, most religions in the West are pretty tame and tolerable because they've learned to interpret their religious texts and say, "Mass violence against non-believers is probably not that most humane thing, so let's try to ignore that part of the book."

If Islam is a religion of peace then what have they done to help Syria? Iran? Afghanistan? Egypt? Libya? Yemen? Nigeria? Chad? Cameroon? Saudi Arabia is the home of Mecca, and just this year they crucified someone for his peaceful protest against the government when he was 17. They are a US ally, and we're just allowing them to abuse human rights in the name of Islamic law.

I think the powers in the West have to grow some balls, finally put their foot down, and admit that Islam is one of the few evils left in the world. We're really tiptoeing around saying it to cater to the sensitivities of moderate Muslims, but it's time that even they embrace that ISIS is a the most genuine form of Islam.  

just gonna say this, none of the other major religions were initially spread by the sword. islams own ****ing prophet was a war general and the guy claims hes the last? **** outta here LMAO so obvious  

You are peasants, stupid as the day is good; you run your mouths because you know nothing. You come from nothing, you write words of nothing—and you believe this amusement grants you the right to blaspheme prophets & people you know nothing of. You defend atheism & ridicule, the most materialistic & soul-crushing of all beliefs—the death of prophets, poets, and priests—so that the wicked may frolic free; you are just as deadly & oppressive as those "regimes" you claim are oppressing others—and your karma will judge you by your own blind hatred.  

Posted by Conquest

You are peasants, stupid as the day is good; you run your mouths because you know nothing. You come from nothing, you write words of nothing—and you believe this amusement grants you the right to blaspheme prophets & people you know nothing of. You defend atheism & ridicule, the most materialistic & soul-crushing of all beliefs—the death of prophets, poets, and priests—so that the wicked may frolic free; you are just as deadly & oppressive as those "regimes" you claim are oppressing others—and your karma will judge you by your own blind hatred.

Did you just join these forums to argue about religion or something? Either way, don't come on here and call members of these forums, "peasants, ignorant, stupid." or other bs like that. You're new here, and not making yourself likeable at all.  

Posted by Mangsi

Did you just join these forums to argue about religion or something? Either way, don't come on here and call members of these forums, "peasants, ignorant, stupid." or other bs like that. You're new here, and not making yourself likeable at all.

I've been playing Graal for 15 years, actually—and was Graal's first anointed Game Master promoted at the age of 14. This thread is about ISIS, and yea—did you come here with your fat titty Ariel avatar to pretend this isn't about spirituality? If you don't like the thread topic, or prefer to be ignorant to reality—then go post on an atheist forum where you belong.

The fact that ANY OF YOU wish to make this thread about anything other than Islamic beliefs shows how inept this world is in even dealing with the war in the Middle East. It's truly scary how utterly delusional you are; and if you haven't noticed, ISIS will kill anyone who is against them.

http://atheistforums.org

It's so typical of you secular, hateful pieces of ****. You project all your negativity onto others and look for threads to outlet your inner condemnation as disciplinary rage onto others' beliefs; all over this forum I have discussed anything, and everything—and even in disagreements I have not brought up any deep discussion of spirituality, at all, ever—anywhere. Yet, in a thread specifically about Islam—I post and discuss spirituality—and your first instinct is to label me a "religious zealot nut weirdo who only joined these forums to shove God down others' throats", to scapegoat your uncontrollable rage onto someone—and I haven't done anything of the sort.

This is your ugliness, my friends, rotting you from the inside out with your injustice—and name calling—projected onto others. I won't take it; if you believe you are inspiring feelings of goodness in me by treating me or anyone this way—or proving yourself to be some master of right & wrong & theology—something other than supreme, bigoted, god-hating zealots—and that I don't feel rage to smash you into little ****ing pieces for the bastards you are—then you are fooling only yourself. Karma is a bitch.

And you wonder why Muhammad wanted your heads; you believe the world should bend over backwards for you, and in the VERY OPEN FORUM for discussing spiritual topics & beliefs—you specifically pretend there is no place for it. You are deluded.  

Posted by Conquest

It's truly scary how utterly delusional you are; and if you haven't noticed, ISIS will kill anyone who is against them.

They're primitive, destructive monkeys still following guidelines written to them in some book 1400 years ago. The only reason anyone in the West has to fear them is because they don't play by the same rules as we do. They're hardly intimidating or imposing. For every individual person they kill for mocking their prophet in a comic strip, 5000 more do it and go unharmed. The US or Russia could unload something on them that would cause every living thing within hundreds of miles of the caliphate to dissolve into thin air.

That won't be happening any time soon though, because here in the West we're an evolved species capable of rational thinking and interpreting our religious texts properly in the year 2016.  

Posted by Thallen

They're primitive, destructive monkeys still following guidelines written to them in some book 1400 years ago. The only reason anyone in the West has to fear them is because they don't play by the same rules as we do. They're hardly intimidating or imposing. For every individual person they kill for mocking their prophet in a comic strip, 5000 more do it and go unharmed. The US or Russia could unload something on them that would cause every living thing within hundreds of miles of the caliphate to dissolve into thin air.

That won't be happening any time soon though, because here in the West we're an evolved species capable of rational thinking and interpreting our religious texts properly in the year 2016.

The fact that you or anyone feel comfortable calling another people monkeys just shows how ignorant & inhumane you are; this is why Islam is coming for you—not because of Muhammad, despite what you think. You blindly believe what the media tells you and have taken things out of context.  

Posted by Conquest

The fact that you or anyone feel comfortable calling another people monkeys just shows how ignorant & inhumane you are; this is why Islam is coming for you—not because of Muhammad, despite what you think. You blindly believe what the media tells you and have taken things out of context.

I don't get this. You're accusing them as ignorant or w/e yet.. -- you say Islam is comming for them? You're saying the same as those nuts are ("Islam is going to kill/hurt you" etc?). Those people don't follow any religion with their behaviour and acts.  

Posted by Conquest

I've been playing Graal for 15 years, actually—and was Graal's first anointed Game Master promoted at the age of 14. This thread is about ISIS, and yea—did you come here with your fat titty Ariel avatar to pretend this isn't about spirituality? If you don't like the thread topic, or prefer to be ignorant to reality—then go post on an atheist forum where you belong.

The fact that ANY OF YOU wish to make this thread about anything other than Islamic beliefs shows how inept this world is in even dealing with the war in the Middle East. It's truly scary how utterly delusional you are; and if you haven't noticed, ISIS will kill anyone who is against them.

http://atheistforums.org

It's so typical of you secular, hateful pieces of ****. You project all your negativity onto others and look for threads to outlet your inner condemnation as disciplinary rage onto others' beliefs; all over this forum I have discussed anything, and everything—and even in disagreements I have not brought up any deep discussion of spirituality, at all, ever—anywhere. Yet, in a thread specifically about Islam—I post and discuss spirituality—and your first instinct is to label me a "religious zealot nut weirdo who only joined these forums to shove God down others' throats", to scapegoat your uncontrollable rage onto someone—and I haven't done anything of the sort.

This is your ugliness, my friends, rotting you from the inside out with your injustice—and name calling—projected onto others. I won't take it; if you believe you are inspiring feelings of goodness in me by treating me or anyone this way—or proving yourself to be some master of right & wrong & theology—something other than supreme, bigoted, god-hating zealots—and that I don't feel rage to smash you into little ****ing pieces for the bastards you are—then you are fooling only yourself. Karma is a bitch.

And you wonder why Muhammad wanted your heads; you believe the world should bend over backwards for you, and in the VERY OPEN FORUM for discussing spiritual topics & beliefs—you specifically pretend there is no place for it. You are deluded.

I respect that you've played for 15 years. I simply asked you a question.

I called you out on calling others harsh names because I believe this thread was supposed to be a civil conversation, yet you cussed quite a lot and seem to be unhappy with other beliefs/views. While you're not the only who's passionate about this topic, it seems to me like you're the angry one here. I'm not trying to engage in a fight, I'm simply stating my opinion like you, and everyone else.  

Posted by Mangsi

I respect that you've played for 15 years. I simply asked you a question.

I called you out on calling others harsh names because I believe this thread was supposed to be a civil conversation, yet you cussed quite a lot and seem to be unhappy with other beliefs/views. While you're not the only who's passionate about this topic, it seems to me like you're the angry one here. I'm not trying to engage in a fight, I'm simply stating my opinion like you, and everyone else.

I believe in everything—and what is true. Vishnu/Christ/Muhammad is the collective harmonic dance of believers in the species; it forms a sentient cosmic conscious superorganism. If you wish to reject this dance and worship chaos—then fine; be a discordianist who hangs with the ghosts & goblins—not an atheist whose outlook on others is that anyone who believes in harmonic Higher Beings is mentally crazy. It's just as toxic as walking around telling people they have to be Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim.

I have been a discordianist for many long years; it is full of disease, liars, and filth, same as atheism which I practiced for a time. I was secular; they didn't last long. I've studied Satanism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, & Judaism. I've done it all.

Posted by PumaD

I don't get this. You're accusing them as ignorant or w/e yet.. -- you say Islam is comming for them? You're saying the same as those nuts are ("Islam is going to kill/hurt you" etc?). Those people don't follow any religion with their behaviour and acts.

I consider this to be very presumptuous; what you are defining as "religion" and superimposing upon a group of people is very broad & nebulous. For one, everyone in Isis is a different individual person doing different things; the media likes to highlight weirdos or even make-up stories to perpetuate its holocaust.

You really don't see what's happening, do you? 9/11 was staged by the Jews to expand Israeli territory; it is an Islamic holocaust. No different than any atheist, Christian, or Satanist would be riled up if their homeland was being bombed—and the world was justifying it: The media, your mansions, and big screen TVs won't protect you.

Inhumanity doesn't give a **** about your culture or possessions; their homeland was bombed, and they are being targeted for a holocaust. Suppose this happened to you; you were living your life, then suddenly a foreign wealthy nation bombed you—and an alliance of nations around the world decided to start using their media to convince the world that you were a useless load of anti-religious hateful worthless pieces of **** that don't deserve a home.

Then, when you retaliate to get your lives back—they demonize you more in the media and play the victim. Tell me that you wouldn't turn to Allah, or whatever God you believe in—or at least join together with believers & unbelievers alike to form guerrilla militias to preserve yourself.  

All these threads derail into garbage because one person in every one of them has to bring it from a discussion to a text fight  

Everything that comes out of your mouth is embarrassing, how do you even think of this stuff?????

Do you even understand what the situation has been like there?? They are the root of their own problems, not us.

Honestly you have clear issues if you think ISIS is justified and are the victims here, do you know why nations like Canada and United States are accepting so many refugees from the Middle-East even knowing some of them might be terrorists?? I do, it's because we KNOW some of these people are good, the media is constantly pushing the fact that not all Muslims are bad we have accepted them and always will. You don't even know what you're talking about with these silly little rants if we wanted to commit a holocaust towards them we would have done so, instead, we try to help as much as possible. We have never had a problem with them or their religion, we only have a problem when THEY go off killing their own people, other people, and commit inhumane acts for no reason other than something they read in a book. People in terrorist groups like ISIS are the ones who do not accept others hence the reason they do what they do and why we have no choice but to get involved over there.

Also you say atheists think everyone is mentally crazy and we are above them or something when that definitely isn't the case, yeah maybe we don't believe and don't understand why people would but we don't go spew hate speech about it in fact we still accept them and most atheists have really good friends that are religious. We just don't care and we don't care if you care, if someone tells you that you are mentally crazy I promise you it's not because you're religious you literally just come off as someone who is when you make posts like these.

What they are doing is terrorism and nothing more.

Quote from The Dalai Lama on the matter ;

"People want to lead a peaceful lives. The terrorists are short-sighted, and this is one of the causes of rampant suicide bombings. We cannot solve this problem only through prayers. I am a Buddhist and I believe in praying. But humans have created this problem, and now we are asking God to solve it. It is illogical. God would say, solve it yourself because you created it in the first place."  

Posted by Conquest

I believe in everything—and what is true. Vishnu/Christ/Muhammad is the collective harmonic dance of believers in the species; it forms a sentient cosmic conscious superorganism. If you wish to reject this dance and worship chaos—then fine; be a discordianist who hangs with the ghosts & goblins—not an atheist whose outlook on others is that anyone who believes in harmonic Higher Beings is mentally crazy. It's just as toxic as walking around telling people they have to be Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim.

I have been a discordianist for many long years; it is full of disease, liars, and filth, same as atheism which I practiced for a time. I was secular; they didn't last long. I've studied Satanism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, & Judaism. I've done it all.



I consider this to be very presumptuous; what you are defining as "religion" and superimposing upon a group of people is very broad & nebulous. For one, everyone in Isis is a different individual person doing different things; the media likes to highlight weirdos or even make-up stories to perpetuate its holocaust.

You really don't see what's happening, do you? 9/11 was staged by the Jews to expand Israeli territory; it is an Islamic holocaust. No different than any atheist, Christian, or Satanist would be riled up if their homeland was being bombed—and the world was justifying it: The media, your mansions, and big screen TVs won't protect you.

Inhumanity doesn't give a **** about your culture or possessions; their homeland was bombed, and they are being targeted for a holocaust. Suppose this happened to you; you were living your life, then suddenly a foreign wealthy nation bombed you—and an alliance of nations around the world decided to start using their media to convince the world that you were a useless load of anti-religious hateful worthless pieces of **** that don't deserve a home.

Then, when you retaliate to get your lives back—they demonize you more in the media and play the victim. Tell me that you wouldn't turn to Allah, or whatever God you believe in—or at least join together with believers & unbelievers alike to form guerrilla militias to preserve yourself.

You call other people ignorant but you seem to be extremely ignorant yourself. You claim you only believe the truth and the things you believe are the only possible explanation. I suggest you stop argueing with people with that stuff as your basis as it's leading to nowhere

I'm an atheist, I respect whatever other people believe in but what bothers me is when people, religious or not are too ignorant to accept other possibilities or other peoples opinions and turn it into arguements  

ISIS claimed responsibility for the Russian plane that crashed in Egypt killing 200+. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was messing with Russia. If we can get behind Stalin, we can definitely get behind Putin. It's like ISIS is trying to play the establishing sovereignty game on hard mode.

Russia launched cruise missiles and even dropped banned white phosphorus over northwest Syria yesterday. That substance is illegal under international law if fired over areas where there's a high number of civilians because it's highly flammable and can burn through flesh and bone. It literally sets oxygen on fire and suffocates and melts anyone that even comes close to contact with it.

Russia is extremely heavy-handed when it comes to dealing with terrorists. If you haven't heard of the Moscow theater hostage crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow...hostage_crisis
It lasted three days and they released a chemical agent into the theater and killed the terrorists while they were dazed by the gas. 130 of the civilian hostages were killed. 128 of them were killed by the gas. The FSB have been known to kidnap terrorist's family members and execute them until they capitulate.

The last time Russia had casualties in the multiple hundreds was the apartment bombings, which led them into Chechnya and ended something like this:

Spoiler

http://assets.fightland.com/content-images/contentimage/53311/Grozny-Destruction.jpg (Unsupported image host)

Walking into a stadium with a bomb strapped to you is child's play compared to:

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So, ISIS went full ****** this month. They should spend less time reading outdated religious texts and more time reading history books before they claim responsibilities for these attacks. There's no way that this doesn't end badly for them. Bad, like, Raqqa getting carpet bombed and even the most distant relatives of captured terrorists being murdered.  

Okay, your ignorance is embarrassing yourself and I'm finished. I gave you enough sacred information, and political truth; if you won't have it you have wasted both our time. (not to you Thallen, you at least attempt to say things & make points)

Posted by Thallen

ISIS claimed responsibility for the Russian plane that crashed in Egypt killing 200+. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes was messing with Russia. If we can get behind Stalin, we can definitely get behind Putin. It's like ISIS is trying to play the establishing sovereignty game on hard mode.

Everyone's soul comes out in pain; the God complex is there; it's a defense, because God is life. It is literally what God means. People argue semantics; the etymology of "god" is the same as "good". God is the collective goodness that is produced in nature; people worship God for harmony & life.

Their country has been bombed, and their entire souls demeaned & called evil on television across the world. The world has laughed in the face of their pain. THEY ARE HUMAN. You won't escape their wrath, no matter how many alliances you find—because love isn't a popularity contest, is is a burning fire in the heart of the collective Human Spirit.

Go outside & kill someone, and the Human Spirit will band together and throw you in jail if someone isn't raw enough to tie you up in a basement and mangle you. These people have been framed, and trust me—this injustice cannot survive. They will torment the entire planet to be heard if they have to, because people are demonizing them. I've experienced soul-crushing loss; the loss of my family, friends, lovers, possessions, job—and everyone around me called my grief negative and distanced themselves when I needed them most so that they could sit in comfy pajamas and eat popcorn, then get railed by some dude they met online later that night. People even like to believe that losing things means you deserved it, as if injustice doesn't exist; it gives them the freedom to numb themselves from reality in procrastination in restoring & loving others (eventually they will learn when time catches up to them).

After a certain point, when you have lost all you love—and everyone is no longer interested in you, because your grief isn't smiles, cheeseburgers, and Britney Spears—or whatever popular trend of belief people are following—all you see is rage. Believe me, what happened to these people is far worse than what I've been through—and they will devour this world if it won't wakeup.

The 9/11 towers were professionally demolished. Larry Silverstein purchased those towers and 6 weeks later professionally demolished them; he then sued our insurance companies for billions of dollars. Israel went on Jewish funded media and promoted their agenda, calling themselves America's biggest allies; then, when the Muslims began defending themselves, they were humiliated and vilified for self-defense.

Of course they use unethical warfare, because they are weak; this doesn't make it okay to do what we did. They are defending themselves & trying to send a message to the world that they are innocent. Self-defense, regardless of how primitive your military is—is still self-defense. They are suicide bombing & attacking planes & concerts because it's all they have the power to do in order to fight back and get heard; otherwise, they won't get heard—and the United Nations will just move in, expand Israel, and instantiate a democratic republic against their wishes.

I see no difference in bombing Baghdad full of thousands of innocent children, men, and women and someone running into a crowd in France & shooting people; Baghdad was worse. Saying, "Okay you inferior pathetic pieces of **** you deserved it and we don't care, and your self-defense is proof of your evil" will earn you a place in psychological hell because karma is illogic turned in on one's self (injustice)