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Here is an interesting video https://www.facebook.com/theprojectt...1/?pnref=story tl;dr Isis is motivating individuals to commit terrorist like offences so people turn on Muslims in general, leaving them no where else to go except for ISIS. They want a war where it is muslims against everyone |
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*except if you indeed fear a danger from them. (btw,the verse you quoted doesn't say anywhere that you are allowed to kill non-muslims or lie to benifit Islam.) |
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Holy Quran (2:191-193) 2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. 2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful. 2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. Same is the case with this one: Holy Quran (2:224) "And do not make Allah, through your oaths, a barrier against your doing good, fearing Allah and setting things right between people. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."The verse just warns people to not use Allah's name as a barrier so they could keep doing the wrongdoings they are doing(what ISIS did today;i don't consider them muslims). Holy Quran (2:216) Verse 216 establishes the obligatory nature of Jihad even though it may be burdensome for some temperaments. In this case, the truth is that it is Allah Almighty who knows the reality of everything while man does not possess the full range of that knowledge. Therefore, one should not decide on things being good or bad as prompted by personal desires, rather, one must say yes to the command of Allah and follow it consistently as the most expedient course of action. Holy Quran (3:56,151) 3:56, and 3:151 are talking about punishment in the afterlife for unbelievers. If you don’t believe in the Islamic account of Hell, not much to worry about, is there? Holy Quran (4:74,4:76) Yet again you quote only a part of the verse and not the whole event: 4:74 So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward. 4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?” 4:76 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak. ------------------------------------ You never read even a verse of the Holy Quran and just follow a website that quotes only parts of the verses.I can continue with the other verses too if you want. |
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Well, Quran 8:12 literally translates to "go out and cut off the heads and fingers of all non-believers" http://corpus.quran.com/translation....ter=8&verse=12 |
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8:12-13 Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger." This is what they have justly incurred by FIGHTING God and His messenger. For those who fight against God and His messenger, God's retribution is severe. That is the context of the verse in the Qur'an. The historical context is that this verse was revealed at the Battle of Badr, a battle in which the pagans of Makkah traveled over 200 miles to destroy the Muslims of Madinah. The Pagans of Makkah had an army of about 1000 while the Muslims were only 300 followers. The Prophet Muhammad ((peace be upon him)) and his followers had suffered severe persecutions and torture for 13 years in the city of Makkah. Having fled from Makkah to the safety of Madinah, they found that they were once again threatened.That's when this verse was revealed to boost up the confidences of the muhajir. Believe me,anyone would need bucking up when they are 300(with no proper weapons or anything) fighting against an army of 1000. |
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Jihad was a concept used by Muslims under Muhammad's rule to justify the expansion of an Islamic empire and war against non-Muslims by excusing it as their peoples' struggle - supposedly supported by God. It's no coincidence that radical Islamic terrorist organizations like ISIS use the term. |
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Jihad has always been translated as "holy war" but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving. Now,there are rules for jihad and not everyone can go to the microphone and impose jihad: -->If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted. -->Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare(is rare because seriously no one is doing it right now. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment. -->In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars(right now it had to be the government of a Muslim country), who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important. -->The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Jihad is not a violent concept.Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Quran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims. |
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When Jerusalem had surrendered because the Christians promised no harm would come to them they then proceeded to slaughter every single innocent life (including some Christians) because G-d 'allowed it'. Every faith has a terrible side to it, and if we are to label the religion of Islam as a violent one then by the same token everybody who is Christian should be labelled the same. The Quran has violent verses, but there is historical context to them such as speeches said before battle there were the teachings of Mohammed not Allah, Islam in a majority is peaceful but due to the conditions these people live in it is very easy for them to be talked into believing a false faith because they have nothing else to turn too, when you hate Islam and Muslims then they have won. One thing to note, all of these religions follow the same G-d just different prophets (Allah = God) so really they are killing people who actually do believe in their same god and that doesn't make much sense, this is how you know these people don't think properly and don't understand their own religion. |
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