Hey pimpsey can I help build another platform?
And could you help me (like. Around and showing how the new stuff is done and all)  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

so im not debating with you on this subject anymore as it will always produce the same results.

You know my opinion on Minecraft yet you initiated this anyways.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

The Ender dragon fight is awesome in my opinion. I participated in a dragon raid with 15 other people the other day and I have to say its the most fun I have ever had in a game for a long time.

Glad you like fighting a boss that does nothing but fly away, has a ton of health, destroys everything you build, and constantly heals. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Sure, the eggs are incomplete. Thats just laying out for updates in the future, because minecraft is never finished. This release is just a milestone where the developers feel there is enough content for it to be considered a full game.

It's marketed as a full game now, but they couldn't even bother to finish the end game. Oh, and anything. Everything is half-finished and half-implemented. They didn't even fix most of the bugs they dedicated the last month to a feature freeze for. You know why? Because they were rushing to get crap done for Minecon. NPC's aren't expected to be done for a year, or more. I don't consider the current state to be a full game because it's quite obvious they rushed and pushed out incomplete content just to meet deadlines so they can raise the price.

This is a screenshot of what they're selling full-price now:
http://i53.tinypic.com/2959zt5.png (Unsupported image host)

They're well aware of this, and actually responded that they don't intend to fix it.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

You can always find a negative side to anything, and from what i have seen with your opinions i think you want to look at minecraft in the most negative way

No, you perceive that I have this only negative outlook on Minecraft for a reason I can only assume is bias. Like I have said many times my problem with Minecraft is that it had so much potential to be insanely more awesome it currently is and they ****ed it up by slacking off after the money came in.

Notch hasn't kept his word on a single promise he has made since he started his company. When Minecraft was in Alpha he constantly provided players with a list of guidelines that would define when Minecraft would be suitable for Beta. This included SMP being bug-free and played identical to single-player. All of that was disregarded and Minecraft was rushed to Beta for the Halloween update. Surprise, Halloween update only contained about half of the announced updates as well. Rushed because they wanted Minecraft to be Beta because it would mean a price increase. The same thing is happening with the Full release now and that annoys the hell out of me.  

i wish they would add mod support. everytime i try to add a mod i fail

also im going to miss my wolf, and pirate ship on the old graalians server  

You know my opinion on Minecraft yet you initiated this anyways.

I didnt initiate anything. I was just replying to Broozes post. I dont know what you are talking about here.


Glad you like fighting a boss that does nothing but fly away, has a ton of health, destroys everything you build, and constantly heals. Sounds like a lot of fun.

What about, actually fight the dragon before bashing it? Thanks.

It's marketed as a full game now, but they couldn't even bother to finish the end game. Oh, and anything. Everything is half-finished and half-implemented. They didn't even fix most of the bugs they dedicated the last month to a feature freeze for. You know why? Because they were rushing to get crap done for Minecon. NPC's aren't expected to be done for a year, or more. I don't consider the current state to be a full game because it's quite obvious they rushed and pushed out incomplete content just to meet deadlines so they can raise the price.

Rusing for minecon on some things such as mod-support and such is a problem I think is pretty obvious, but that was because they had to get a finished product for minecon. That is one part i dont like about mojang, but they are a new developer that hadn't even been around for a year when they made the decision to release a full version of minecraft for minecon, and this did make some content suffer, but it wasn't because they are half assing, its because they didn't want to dissapoint their fans on a bad move made by a new company.

This is a screenshot of what they're selling full-price now:
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This is exactly what i meant by you constantly looking at its negatives. This is what i see as the finished product:

No, you perceive that I have this only negative outlook on Minecraft for a reason I can only assume is bias. Like I have said many times my problem with Minecraft is that it had so much potential to be insanely more awesome it currently is and they ****ed it up by slacking off after the money came in.

Excuse me, but when was the last time you were happy about an update? Its only natural to assume that when someone is constantly bashing seemingly everything about something ( example: "Notch hasn't kept his word on a single promise he has made since he started his company.") that they have a bias towards a particular viewpoint. I dont know where you got that I have a bias from at all.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

What about, actually fight the dragon before bashing it? Thanks.

Why do you assume I haven't?

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Rusing for minecon on some things such as mod-support and such is a problem I think is pretty obvious, but that was because they had to get a finished product for minecon. That is one part i dont like about mojang, but they are a new developer that hadn't even been around for a year when they made the decision to release a full version of minecraft for minecon, and this did make some content suffer, but it wasn't because they are half assing, its because they didn't want to dissapoint their fans on a bad move made by a new company.

No, their company got the better of them, that's my problem. Now they have to do shows, rush releases to meet deadlines instead of doing what's better for the product. They're everything that they claim an indie developer shouldn't be. They're a slave to their own company. Notch was pushing out more content in a week every week than he has in months and months of delays. There's a reason mods like "Better than wolves" were created, because modders know that Notch isn't doing all that Minecraft is capable of.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

This is exactly what i meant by you constantly looking at its negatives. This is what i see as the finished product:

That's nice, but that doesn't excuse my screenshot. That's my perspective, I can admire the good and the bad, without thinking good things cancel out the bad. It doesn't work like that. I don't care how good a game is it doesn't cancel out huge bugs.

Posted by Pimpsy G.

Excuse me, but when was the last time you were happy about an update? Its only natural to assume that when someone is constantly bashing seemingly everything about something ( example: "Notch hasn't kept his word on a single promise he has made since he started his company.") that they have a bias towards a particular viewpoint. I dont know where you got that I have a bias from at all.

Just because I'm not vocal about how happy I am about something doesn't mean I don't admire it. I've liked lots of tiny things, and I've been pretty vocal about those things, you're just not around to hear them. See, but here's the thing, right now the bad things are outweighing the good. Minecraft hardly gets any content, and the content it does get is often unfinished. Achievements? Added and then never touched again, even though they have the potential to provide content, even miniscule. Trap doors? Poorly implemented and a pain in the ass to use. Swamps? Slapped on top of the terrain, not even properly integrated into the biome code, and then just left there. Mushroom biomes have no purpose at all, and like the swamp they're just slapped over the terrain. The nether went a long time without having any real purpose, and was a huge complaint from lots of players. Its purpose is still a bit lacking other than harvesting a few things that aren't very useful. Moon phases were added, but only visually, even though they had the potential to add some deeper gameplay. NPC villages were added with the promise of NPCs... surprise, NPCs did nothing and were pulled, citing potential release in a year after they hire an AI programmer. What happened to lanterns? Oh right. They never get half of the stuff they say they will in an update. These additions are lacking compared to the numerous bugs they introduce, or more importantly, what could have been. Look at XP orbs. They were added and not even addressed. The server was unplayable for days, and Jeb said they were going to release an emergency update to fix the issue but he never did. Instead they decided to wait for the next major release. That's the kind of stuff that annoys me.

I like lots of small things, but that's just it, the smallest things tend to be the most interesting and it shouldn't be like that. I like the chests animations, and the enchanting book animation, but now the rest of the world looks lacking. Now things like doors should animate or else they look out of date, but that'll never happen.

And yes, if you ever followed Notch you'd have seen that he has promised a lot of things over the years he's been working on Minecraft. No it's not biased because he actually has fallen through on most of them. He said if he ever got bored of Minecraft, or if sales ever slowed down he'd release it open source. And this was after he made lot of money. He respected what he had made and respected the players who supported him. But do you think that'd happen now? Of course not, it's not in the companies best interest. Exactly, the company. And that's what it boils down to. These updates lack enthusiasm, they lack the spirit of a developer enjoying what he's doing. It feels like Graal now.  

Some examples of why Minecraft fails, targeting mostly the terrain, but a bit of bugs as well.
















 

It's a fun game, in my opinion. Yeah, Notch kinda stopped caring about the game and threw some crap for final release together, but it's gonna be an improvement over 1.8. I'm most excited about the new mc server, though.  

Posted by BroozeB

Some examples of why Minecraft fails, targeting mostly the terrain, but a bit of bugs as well.

That just looks like a bad seed.  

the black water is horrible.  

Posted by Rufus

That just looks like a bad seed.

It was multiple seeds, my world saves is a clutter**** now...I was just going around creating random new worlds in creative mode to see what I could find. I actually found some nice caves and even a blaze spawner in one.  

Posted by Rufus

That just looks like a bad seed.

The only thing that looks like a bad seed error is the one with the land just stopping. The rest are regular occurrences with terrain generation because of the way most things overlap. For example something cutting into water tends to not force the water to reflow, causing just a wall of water like in a few of the screenshots. Ravines, abandoned mines, rivers and strongholds tend to intersect each other a lot, causing all sorts of ugly and broken environments.  

Posted by Dusty

The only thing that looks like a bad seed error is the one with the land just stopping. The rest are regular occurrences with terrain generation because of the way most things overlap. For example something cutting into water tends to not force the water to reflow, causing just a wall of water like in a few of the screenshots. Ravines, abandoned mines, rivers and strongholds tend to intersect each other a lot, causing all sorts of ugly and broken environments.

The land stopping was where the ocean biome started, kind of fail.  

Posted by BroozeB

The land stopping was where the ocean biome started, kind of fail.

Nah that's not normal, definitely some sort of seed error. It looks as though the chunks are reading two different seeds, something that happens when you try to explore an old world with the newer Minecraft's, or if you simply happen to have a bad seed.  

Read this and weep:
http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Upcoming_features  

Seems too short.