Posted by Dark Ice Cream

He was banned for telling everyone to rate Graal 1 Star just because of a Server Lag... Only obnoxious people would do that.

That's still staff abuse (in era's terms, i'm not sure about other servers)...

Regardless of the context, it's unethical to ban a player for voicing an opinion if that opinion has no swearing or inappropriate content.  

Posted by MysticalDragon

Firstly let players rate the game how they feel it should be rated without a flamming angry person trying to coherse the rating you deem fit (this is why you probably got banned, not for creating a thread).

I really wish people would read before posting. I'm behind a computer first off so I am incapable of forcing people to rate the game poorly. Secondly, I had " give Graal one star IF YOU FIND That the servers lag and IF YOU FIND it unplayable"  

They probably don't want you to start a riot that may or may not influence other Graalians. But I still don't think that's a possible reason for you to be banned for such a high amount of hours for voicing your opinion towards Graal in-game or not.  

Wushen, it's rare to find rationale people. Most people don't even need a reason to get involved with issues, and everyone on the Internet is the smartest guy at the bar. Colin and Crono are some of the worst. Generally they're just out trolling these forums without cause looking for a fight.  

Posted by Demrow

Wushen, it's rare to find rationale people. Most people don't even need a reason to get involved with issues, and everyone on the Internet is the smartest guy at the bar. Colin and Crono are some of the worst. Generally they're just out trolling these forums without cause looking for a fight.

Even though I don't go

Don't call people out that aren't even part of the thread. That will get you baned  

Everything can get you banned.  

Posted by Demrow

Colin and Crono are some of the worst. Generally they're just out trolling these forums without cause looking for a fight.

I'll tell you why I act the way I do towards you,

First of all, you posted on the other thread saying that thread was the reason you were banned but now you are saying you got banned before that and that thread just added to the time. Presumably because you think your new ban story will make you look more like a victim and gain peoples support. You still have not even posted a single shred of evidence backing up the claim of that being your ban reason and I am definitely not going to trust a guy like you to be honest with his word given you already lied about the ban.

Half the time you rant about Graal you state they don't care about the players and ramble on about how bad they are so I will use your own 'I didn't force them to do it' argument and tell you that Graal is not forcing you to play so if you don't like the way it works you can leave at any time.

I can't even understand why someone over 20 can still care so much about a game like this.

P.S I am pretty sure you are lying about being older than 20 as well.

Posted by Wushen

What i cannot understand is why are there players acting up and being defensive when someone talks about bad service from graal? Are these people fanboys? Or did graal pay them gralats? Whatever the reason is i dont understand why.

Because some of us aren't stupid enough to complain about something we know won't change and something we can easily stop playing if we dislike it.  

Posted by Colin

Because some of us aren't stupid enough to complain about something we know won't change

Because no amount revolutionary speech ever amounts to anything no matter how justified it seems.  

Posted by MysticalDragon

This video really doesn't prove anything and those servers are not even comparable. Their is alot of factors that come into play. How well the server is coded? How many players are actively playing?How badly your connection is? How many systems are running in the background? Alot of people i see are blaming graal when in all reality i would say that 70% is from bad coding or non thought-out timeouts and that other 30% would be from the massive playerbase. UN has the worst coding on graal i have ever seen. iclassic had stefan which is also a terrible coder but since then seems like stefan is gone anyways.

alright. That video was a demo version. In the next video, I will get my friend to spar against me and I will put it side by side. I'm also going to go around ask people for their ms and feel laggy or not. I will also do the same when there are under 2.5k people are online.

add anything u want me to test out for the next video.  

Posted by hosler

Because no amount revolutionary speech ever amounts to anything no matter how justified it seems.

It does, just not on a pixel game.

Also "rate this 1 star because it lags" is nowhere close to revolutionary speech.

Posted by Zetectic

alright. That video was a demo version. In the next video, I will get my friend to spar against me and I will put it side by side. I'm also going to go around ask people for their ms and feel laggy or not. I will also do the same when there are under 2.5k people are online.

add anything u want me to test out for the next video.

The video should be of iClassic not the PC servers  

Hahaha... I still don't know why I'm banned only speculating as I did nothing inappropriate. I logged on was banned for 300 hours with my status deleted and then it was increased to 2500 and my thread on here was deleted. Regardless I was punished for both things from what I can gather but staff aren't really available to discuss these kind of things. Submitting a ticket is useless and they use as little detail as possible when responding back.

Also,
Colin quit following me around these threads if you don't like what I have to say, you are on my nuts hard and your constant trolling is sad. You are literally on this site 24/7. You make other people's problems your problems for no reason. You're stirring the pot to entertain yourself. I don't know how you spend your time on Graal whether you just sit and socialize or actually spar, pk, castle, or do events but the game is flawed and saying something negative about a game should not result in a ban.  

Posted by Wushen

I can understand completely why Graal would ban you for that given the long history of terrible service and admins since the beginning. But believe it or not i actually feel the admins now are actually way better then what it was more than 10 years ago. Although still abit of that 'stink', ie: admins acting emotionally and unprofessionally, from the past is still lingering.

I disagree with you. admins 'now' are very rude, unprofessional and immature than admins from 2010-2012. I've never seen a person whining about bad admins back in 2011. Most of players just got a warning and stopped whatever they were doing. I was also warned for using a invisible mount glitch. If I did that in 2015, pretty sure that was 2.4k hour ban without a doubt and would be categorized as a hacking. Also was never banned for wall jumping using a mount, even though I did it front of an admin. They just warned me and that was it.

And don't bring 2001 graal, I know you didn't play back in 2001.

Posted by Colin

The video should be of iClassic not the PC servers

Yeah I know. I thought they were using same engine and stuff.
But next time I will just focus on iClassic server. dw

Posted by Bryan*

But I still don't think that's a possible reason for you to be banned for such a high amount of hours for voicing your opinion towards Graal in-game or not.

His ban hour went up after the thread was deleted without leaving a single mark.

Posted by Demrow

Everything can get you banned.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...727#post545727
LOL

Posted by Colin

First of all, you posted on the other thread saying that thread was the reason you were banned but now you are saying you got banned before that and that thread just added to the time.

After the thread was made, he mentioned that he got banned in game. It was @ 2nd page and that was a week ban. Few days passed gone by the thread was deleted and his ban hours gone up 2.4k  

Posted by Dark Ice Cream

They have the right to punish you if you acted any rebellious act to a product. Like, would they keep you just by proclaiming "Give Graal One Star if you hate the server lag!"

Have common sense. Why would they keep you if you would just let their server go down? Obviously, the result is negative so they will kick you out for sure 101%.

Criticizing in that way is NOT JUST. Its not even called criticizing, its called rebelling. You can just suggest not by bringing down a server. Really.. if you hate the server, JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. They aren't forcing you to play.

Hey dude, leave the big boy conversations to the big boys. There's a difference between trying to get people to do something to hurt the server and trying to improve the server. His suggestion might be counter intuitive, but what else would work? Obviously he enjoys the server and wants it to be improved.

Posted by Ph8

You don't have freedom of speech in an online game.

And so they're within their rights to ban you for pretty much whatever, as you've technically legally agreed to the above.

That said, it's sad that you actually got banned for what you did. It shows, at the least, that whoever banned you realizes that your concerns are valid enough that people might listen to you and rate the game 1 star.

Yes, but they shouldn't have the influence to get things in graalians deleted (not sure if people were told to delete it or it was their own call)

Posted by Dark Ice Cream

Only obnoxious people would do that.

Players that enjoy the competitive aspect of graal understand why he's saying this.

Posted by Colin

It does, just not on a pixel game.

Why did the spar rooms get separated? iDevicers cried too much and revolted  

Posted by Zetectic

And don't bring 2001 graal, I know you didn't play back in 2001.

I actually did. I was in SNC when KIO started it. Goth is my friend when he started the Ventrue Vampires. And i had a feud with Sting from Ventrue and Rikimaru from Azuma Ninja. I had a part killing Queen Undine and her 'royal guards'. I wasnt particularly good but i was there.

But we digress. the admins then were terrible. Seriously.

Posted by GOAT

There's a difference between trying to get people to do something to hurt the server and trying to improve the server. His suggestion might be counter intuitive, but what else would work? Obviously he enjoys the server and wants it to be improved.

I seriously do not know why people say you are a troll when most of the stuff you say makes absolute sense.

Posted by Demrow

Wushen, it's rare to find rationale people. Most people don't even need a reason to get involved with issues, and everyone on the Internet is the smartest guy at the bar. Colin and Crono are some of the worst. Generally they're just out trolling these forums without cause looking for a fight.

Feisty.  

"Graal, please fix the lag right now! Or else I will give you a 1 star rating on the App Store!"

*five minutes later*

"Oh wow, you still haven't done anything? Fine, giving you a 1 star rating because you aren't fast enough and apparently lag can be fixed extremely quick since, you know, I work for other servers that are as populous as Classic, so yeah, lag should be fixed automatically in one day because I know it can. Also I'm just gonna try to contact Toonslab themselves since apparently they can fix the lag in one day!"

*makes a thread which gets deleted*

"Oh wow they deleted my thread on the forums "Graalians" which is totally independent from the game and coincidentally has the name Graalians! And they banned me! Wow brb giving one star ratings on five other Apple accounts. You guys should do it, too!"

That is what you sound like right now. You are coming off as really immature so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to act right away. Also lag has been a problem for a while now and people have complained about it so what makes you think that if you suggest it, things will automatically change? Because you're giving them a one star?

You're banned so why do you even want this to be fixed so badly?

Also:

Posted by Demrow

Hey guys,
Whether you agree with my criticism of Graal or not these staff and owners continue to violate our rights especially our freedom of speech. Products every day are criticized, reviewed, and tested resulting in both positive and negative feedback without retaliation or punishment. So why Graal? Why are these staff and owners so insecure with their game? Why are dishing out ludacris bans against people who speak out about the game. I never forced anyone to write or rate the game poorly. If they were experiencing lag or delay I simply reminded them if you're not happy with the product that rating and reviewing might grab their attention. I wanted to share this because I see it as a gross injustice and something more people should stand up against.

First off: the amendments don't have to be viable in a game. Why should they? If a staff member bans you does that mean they are violating your rights? No. They ban you because you are being disruptive.

Second off: you continuously make the mistake of comparing Graal, which is a small, game company, with larger and richer industries, such as Taco Bell. They are not the same thing. Taco Bell takes the opinion of the majority who has not be influenced by any other source. (i.e. McDonald's paying people to convince Taco Bell to change their meat is an example of people being influenced.) So by you telling people to give one star ratings on the App Store because you think they should? Well, in your own way, you're taking away their freedom of speech. Maybe people want to approach this in a much maturer way. So when you tell people to give a one star rating, they may not want to, and you end up un-coordinated and everything is just a big mess. And when they see that happening, they don't take you to seriously.

Also, it isn't like the lag is super horrible. The game is not unplayable. You are exaggerating over this.