Posted by Talon

Okay, I don't know whether it's you or my sleep deprivation, but I don't really understand your first point. Why would it matter if they're sold as a whole? - the point is, if you know how to use the KSG the way it was intended as a close quarters gun, the stacked damage competes with other guns in that price tier.

Secondly, everyone will get mad at KSG users for having a ridiculously high block rate. If 1/4 or 1/5 of their bullets hit and do damage, people aren't going to be very happy. Even 70% block rate is about 1/4 bullets doing damage - that's basically giving the KSG quadrupled health. Gunfights would be ridiculously slow as I've said, and the KSG user can easily out shoot even an M4 when 3/4 their bullets aren't doing damage because of the 70% block rate. I will guarantee, if the block rate is anywhere above 40%, the KSG will win most gunfights purely because the user isn't taking any damage. Because they aren't taking much damage, its really only a matter of time for the KSG to finish off the other person.

That is only -only!!- when you stand and remain standing right in front of the KSG. Te thing with M4 and almost all other guns is that you have low freeze so you dodge all bullets, while shooting. I think that at this point I can easily outgun a KSG user because i can just dodge the bullets while firing, the KSG won't move due to it's extremely high freeze plus it's slow movement speed. Easy. Also, why would it matter that they're sold as a whole; they are! So it's important, seeing I just reacted on your splitted price statement, which isn't important at all, I just reacted on it. I still feel the KSG should have a higher blocking rate, but I get what your point is ;).  

Posted by SnakeRekon

In my opinion, Romario didn't read much of this thread if any - He still keeps going on about the damage reduction being 25% when I long since changed it to 40% x.x

I already stated with the figures as they are now, it's hard to make changes without making the shield stupidly overpowered, aka standing in door ways that are narrow and blocking entire gangs from being able to enter while someone sits their healing you or spamming burgers.

OK GUYS The damage IS 4. Learn to upgrade your weapons if you want them to be the best they can be. :3

Romario wont be happy till he gets 75k back - whatever the stats on the gun become - fact.

ROFL!!! i honestly LOOLd at what you said about the me being happy until i get the 75k back, very TRUE lool..

but honestly i know you have changed it to 40% but what i am asking is increase it to the original block rate stats, and thank you for upgrading the bullets to 4damage each, thank you very much for that, if you just increase the block rate a bit more i will honestly be very happy and stop whining about the 75k  

I'll change it so it reduces 50% damage, any other figures just wont yield good results i'm afraid >:[
^ Least good as a temporary solution untill we have a look at changing it back to blocking actual damage rather than just reducing

Pleasing all is hard :[  

Posted by SnakeRekon

I'll change it so it reduces 50% damage, any other figures just wont yield good results i'm afraid >:[
^ Least good as a temporary solution untill we have a look at changing it back to blocking actual damage rather than just reducing

Pleasing all is hard :[

Yes, and we're (I am atleast) very grateful for you helping us this much. In the end reducing should be the same as blocking, but blocking somehow feels better because sometimes you're lucky and block more damage than usual, and sometimes you aren't lucky and get all the damage.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

I'll change it so it reduces 50% damage, any other figures just wont yield good results i'm afraid >:[
^ Least good as a temporary solution untill we have a look at changing it back to blocking actual damage rather than just reducing

Pleasing all is hard :[

If you want to add more % to the block and less % to the damage... Don't, keep it as is - just to get them satisfied increase something unsimilar like the freeze rate I suppose...  

Posted by Johnaudi

If you want to add more % to the block and less % to the damage... Don't, keep it as is - just to get them satisfied increase something unsimilar like the freeze rate I suppose...

That didn't make any sense...
"Just to get "them" satisfied increase something unsimilar (why unsimilar? why not just the block?)"
Now it sounds like you're just trying to piss us off, not to let the KSG have particular stats..  

Well, at this point they care more about the shield than the gun  

Posted by SnakeRekon

Well, at this point they care more about the shield than the gun

Yes...
Which is pretty logical, considering the fact it's the only gun with a shield, we want to have the shield as good as possible. Guns enough in era...  

Posted by SnakeRekon

I'll change it so it reduces 50% damage, any other figures just wont yield good results i'm afraid >:[
^ Least good as a temporary solution untill we have a look at changing it back to blocking actual damage rather than just reducing

Pleasing all is hard :[

Thank you so very much snake! Seriously one admin can make a difference! But like you said its temporary I hope they bring back the full block rate.

And ye pleasing everyone is a hard job lol!

Posted by Engel

That didn't make any sense...
"Just to get "them" satisfied increase something unsimilar (why unsimilar? why not just the block?)"
Now it sounds like you're just trying to piss us off, not to let the KSG have particular stats..

Exactly he is he only one that keeps on critising to what ever we ask, seriously jaunadi stop trying to piss us off  

Are you satisfied with it now Romario?  

Posted by SnakeRekon

This is why I can't move it in any particular direction x.x 50% is as far as i'd go with it :3

Go 43% or 44% and see what happens. Also, is it possible to break it down into 00.00%? Say 44.50%?

I have a question. Does the freeze improve when the shield is off? That would make more sense if it does.
The trade off = KSG with Shield: better blocking and crappy freeze. KSG without Shield: no blocking and improved freeze. Yes?  

Posted by Shock

Go 43% or 44% and see what happens. Also, is it possible to break it down into 00.00%? Say 44.50%?

I have a question. Does the freeze improve when the shield is off? That would make more sense if it does.
The trade off = KSG with Shield: better blocking and crappy freeze. KSG without Shield: no blocking and improved freeze. Yes?

Well uhhh, I think our Gun system on here just rounds figures up and down to avoid doing things like 0.5 damage, this is why I said it's a little hard to change because you have to either change it so it takes one damage off or add one damage.

That is how it works, yes  

Posted by SnakeRekon

Well, at this point they care more about the shield than the gun

Yeah, that's why there is NO sense on having a shield stand-alone...
Let's say you have a shield that can't shoot, what is it used for? Nothing I suppose, same as bamboo...  

Posted by Johnaudi

Yeah, that's why there is NO sense on having a shield stand-alone...
Let's say you have a shield that can't shoot, what is it used for? Nothing I suppose, same as bamboo...

Bamboo can do damage, and you know that well.  

Posted by Engel

Bamboo can do damage, and you know that well.

Wow, so now you care about the damage...
teehee