Posted by Sessy

I bought it when i could have bought a better gun. its funny cuz i have bought two semi expensive crappy guns (KSG, tec9) the tec9 is almost half as expensive and its better though. im just back to using dual desert eagles and an m16 xD

Tec9 is good,you're just crappy. ^_^

Oh and btw I beat deagles and m16 ez with tec  

Posted by Engel

No, two.. I agree on 4 damage per bullet, with 85 % chance of blocking because the KSG only shoots two bullets. It won't be overpowered since the clip size is low and there will be a big freeze and a slow-down when firing, so it will be easy to walk around the KSG.

I fully agree on this !  

Posted by romario786

I fully agree on this !

No, 3 damage is already good.  

Posted by Engel

You shoot about 30 shots in just 10 seconds, and as I said you can easily walk around the KSG so it wíll do damage. Plus, the damage is low so it won'd be overpowered. It has to be this high, it's a freaking riot shield, worth 75000. The price/ quality has to be balanced, and with 25 % blocking rate it is nót balanced.

First and foremost, congratulations for dragging out a thread that didn't need to be dragged out. Since you decided to do that, I'm going to tell you why you're wrong; the thread was already dragged out, so I might as well. Okay, so from your post, I gathered that you're telling me this in two different ways that are incorrect:


1. It isn't a riot shield you're paying the 75,000 for, its the gun AND the riot shield. You should be thankful you were even given a riot shield, it's the only gun in the game with that effect. Now, again, this having been said, the KSG alone should not perform like a 75k gun, because it isn't even a 75k gun to begin with. The riot shield itself is probably a little under half of its actual price, making it about, say, 30k. The KSG is really probably only about a 45k gun. So don't complain that the price/performance ratio is off for the gun itself.

2. Also, you're implying that out of the 30 shots (also incorrect) that are fired in said gunfight hit. That is incorrect - out of the 20~ shots that are fired in 10 seconds, probably only about 4 or 5 of them hit. Under this pretense, given your 80% block rate, one bullet out of every five will hit and inflict damage. In ten seconds, the enemy will hit one bullet. Seeing as everyone uses a 9 damage M4, it can take up to a whole MINUTE for a gunfight to end against a KSG user. Do you know how long a minute is? Take your favorite song and divide it by three, maybe four. There you have it, a minute long gunfight against the KSG. In that minute that the enemy that has hit 6 bullets in a minute, you've probably hit at least 10 in 30 seconds. That would be ridiculously long and tedious for both users, and isn't going to work out.

Please stop dragging out a thread like this, because everything that needed to be said has been said in 10+ other pages. There really isn't any more arguing to be needed, Snake already said the KSG will stay the way it is - and if it reverts to its original state, a vote would have to be in place. If it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass. If it does, the people that wanted the KSG nerfed will start up again, on here and on iEra, and it will be reverted back to this state that it currently is at.  

This thread feels like English class. Essays everywhere  

You know what then the only way we can all b bloody happy is to refund everyone's 75k and delete the gun from iera...  

Posted by Jester Lapse

This thread feels like English class. Essays everywhere

Just be glad there aren't typos everywhere...  

Posted by Shock

Just be glad there aren't typos everywhere...

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Posted by romario786

You know what then the only way we can all b bloody happy is to refund everyone's 75k and delete the gun from iera...

We would all be happy if everyone just shut up and sucked it up . Let's delete you from iEra instead.  

Posted by DragonRider

We would all be happy if everyone just shut up and sucked it up . Let's delete you from iEra instead.

That's a great idea!!  

In my opinion, Romario didn't read much of this thread if any - He still keeps going on about the damage reduction being 25% when I long since changed it to 40% x.x

I already stated with the figures as they are now, it's hard to make changes without making the shield stupidly overpowered, aka standing in door ways that are narrow and blocking entire gangs from being able to enter while someone sits their healing you or spamming burgers.

OK GUYS The damage IS 4. Learn to upgrade your weapons if you want them to be the best they can be. :3

Romario wont be happy till he gets 75k back - whatever the stats on the gun become - fact.  

Posted by Talon

First and foremost, congratulations for dragging out a thread that didn't need to be dragged out. Since you decided to do that, I'm going to tell you why you're wrong; the thread was already dragged out, so I might as well. Okay, so from your post, I gathered that you're telling me this in two different ways that are incorrect:


1. It isn't a riot shield you're paying the 75,000 for, its the gun AND the riot shield. You should be thankful you were even given a riot shield, it's the only gun in the game with that effect. Now, again, this having been said, the KSG alone should not perform like a 75k gun, because it isn't even a 75k gun to begin with. The riot shield itself is probably a little under half of its actual price, making it about, say, 30k. The KSG is really probably only about a 45k gun. So don't complain that the price/performance ratio is off for the gun itself.

2. Also, you're implying that out of the 30 shots (also incorrect) that are fired in said gunfight hit. That is incorrect - out of the 20~ shots that are fired in 10 seconds, probably only about 4 or 5 of them hit. Under this pretense, given your 80% block rate, one bullet out of every five will hit and inflict damage. In ten seconds, the enemy will hit one bullet. Seeing as everyone uses a 9 damage M4, it can take up to a whole MINUTE for a gunfight to end against a KSG user. Do you know how long a minute is? Take your favorite song and divide it by three, maybe four. There you have it, a minute long gunfight against the KSG. In that minute that the enemy that has hit 6 bullets in a minute, you've probably hit at least 10 in 30 seconds. That would be ridiculously long and tedious for both users, and isn't going to work out.

Please stop dragging out a thread like this, because everything that needed to be said has been said in 10+ other pages. There really isn't any more arguing to be needed, Snake already said the KSG will stay the way it is - and if it reverts to its original state, a vote would have to be in place. If it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass. If it does, the people that wanted the KSG nerfed will start up again, on here and on iEra, and it will be reverted back to this state that it currently is at.

Okay, first of all, you're saying that the gun is 40K and the shield is 35K- which only supports my arguments, seeing that a 45K gun does (while upgraded) 4 damage per bullet, while shooting just two bullets. Also, you guessed this because you buy them as a whole and not apart.

Then, it "may" take up to a whole minute. What's the use of a KSG if you die within 5 seconds? It has to have atleast 70% block rate, I agree that 85% is too high. But the freeze is high and the speed is extremely low. I just want the shield have a very high blocking rate, and don't really care about the other stats. I mostly use it to go in a gunwall, and with 40% blocking rate that isn't helping.

Posted by SnakeRekon

In my opinion, Romario didn't read much of this thread if any - He still keeps going on about the damage reduction being 25% when I long since changed it to 40% x.x

I already stated with the figures as they are now, it's hard to make changes without making the shield stupidly overpowered, aka standing in door ways that are narrow and blocking entire gangs from being able to enter while someone sits their healing you or spamming burgers.

OK GUYS The damage IS 4. Learn to upgrade your weapons if you want them to be the best they can be. :3

Romario wont be happy till he gets 75k back - whatever the stats on the gun become - fact.

If someone is healIng the KSG user or spamming behind him, an enemie might aswell throw grenades or place traps, or they're with 4 against 2. Just saying .  

Posted by Engel

Okay, first of all, you're saying that the gun is 40K and the shield is 35K- which only supports my arguments, seeing that a 45K gun does (while upgraded) 4 damage per bullet, while shooting just two bullets. Also, you guessed this because you buy them as a whole and not apart.

Then, it "may" take up to a whole minute. What's the use of a KSG if you die within 5 seconds? It has to have atleast 70% block rate, I agree that 85% is too high. But the freeze is high and the speed is extremely low. I just want the shield have a very high blocking rate, and don't really care about the other stats. I mostly use it to go in a gunwall, and with 40% blocking rate that isn't helping..

Okay, I don't know whether it's you or my sleep deprivation, but I don't really understand your first point. Why would it matter if they're sold as a whole? - the point is, if you know how to use the KSG the way it was intended as a close quarters gun, the stacked damage competes with other guns in that price tier.

Secondly, everyone will get mad at KSG users for having a ridiculously high block rate. If 1/4 or 1/5 of their bullets hit and do damage, people aren't going to be very happy. Even 70% block rate is about 1/4 bullets doing damage - that's basically giving the KSG quadrupled health. Gunfights would be ridiculously slow as I've said, and the KSG user can easily out shoot even an M4 when 3/4 their bullets aren't doing damage because of the 70% block rate. I will guarantee, if the block rate is anywhere above 40%, the KSG will win most gunfights purely because the user isn't taking any damage. Because they aren't taking much damage, its really only a matter of time for the KSG to finish off the other person.  

Posted by Talon

if the block rate is anywhere above 40%, the KSG will win most gunfights purely because the user isn't taking any damage. Because they aren't taking much damage, its really only a matter of time for the KSG to finish off the other person.

This is why I can't move it in any particular direction x.x 50% is as far as i'd go with it :3  

Posted by Talon

Okay, I don't know whether it's you or my sleep deprivation, but I don't really understand your first point. Why would it matter if they're sold as a whole? - the point is, if you know how to use the KSG the way it was intended as a close quarters gun, the stacked damage competes with other guns in that price tier.

Secondly, everyone will get mad at KSG users for having a ridiculously high block rate. If 1/4 or 1/5 of their bullets hit and do damage, people aren't going to be very happy. Even 70% block rate is about 1/4 bullets doing damage - that's basically giving the KSG quadrupled health. Gunfights would be ridiculously slow as I've said, and the KSG user can easily out shoot even an M4 when 3/4 their bullets aren't doing damage because of the 70% block rate. I will guarantee, if the block rate is anywhere above 40%, the KSG will win most gunfights purely because the user isn't taking any damage. Because they aren't taking much damage, its really only a matter of time for the KSG to finish off the other person.

That is only -only!!- when you stand and remain standing right in front of the KSG. Te thing with M4 and almost all other guns is that you have low freeze so you dodge all bullets, while shooting. I think that at this point I can easily outgun a KSG user because i can just dodge the bullets while firing, the KSG won't move due to it's extremely high freeze plus it's slow movement speed. Easy. Also, why would it matter that they're sold as a whole; they are! So it's important, seeing I just reacted on your splitted price statement, which isn't important at all, I just reacted on it. I still feel the KSG should have a higher blocking rate, but I get what your point is ;).