Posted by Rusix

"Well first off, it's working fine at detecting botters", Then please explain has done absolutely nothing in terms of catching botters?

Uhh Dusty actually works on the game and Im pretty sure he has the statistics to make changes to the game as necessary. You, on the other hand, do not.  

if you don't want to farm for hours on end to get a bed, go mow someone's lawn, make $10 in 1 hour, and get 27.5k gralats to spend on all of your cosmetic needs

idk why anyone but staff is even concerned about botters because the game isn't p2w (except horse race kinda)

doesn't even affect you people if others have tons of gralats  

Posted by Dusty

I'm not sure what exactly you want. You have admitted that you have used multiple accounts to farm and even if you are doing it yourself you also admitted that you were watching TV and missing prompts that are there to confirm if you are a bot. Chances are you probably missed any checks staff would have performed to see if you were just a bot or not.

If you're using three devices and so tuned out watching TV or whatever that you act and react like a bot what kind of outcome are you expecting? Staff aren't psychic, there's only so many things they can do to judge if someone is botting/macroing and it sounds like you ticked all the boxes while using multiple accounts at the same time.

Just to be clear, using 3+ accounts and not missing the prompts is not against the rules? I wasn’t banned for using 3 accounts, but for potentially using bots?

Feel like I’m going to have to record my screen now, since I moved when the staff member dragged me to the bottom right and above the castle house’s gate

Spoiler

Are there any “player logs” in the system? Example: If a user swings 80 times, it’s logged and each swing was clocked at a certain time like UTC 03:32:98

When staff checked by dragging me I did move, and told staff immediately that I wasn’t botting. Shouldn’t that be taken into consideration and overrule me missing a few prompts(2-4)? How can a bot move immediately on a phone when it’s dragged, without continually pressing the sword button, or pausing and stopping the macro? I slashed maybe 5-10 times, before I noticed that I was dragged, then I said in chat “I’m not botting.”

Posted by Fulgore

Spoiler

if you don't want to farm for hours on end to get a bed, go mow someone's lawn, make $10 in 1 hour, and get 27.5k gralats to spend on all of your cosmetic needs

idk why anyone but staff is even concerned about botters because the game isn't p2w (except horse race kinda)

doesn't even affect you people if others have tons of gralats

You make 2k/hour on each account, just by tapping the sword button. I farm, cause it’s fun to invent different methods. You gain easy gralats, while watching a show.
It’s become a habit, sometimes I don’t watch a show, unless I can farm (two birds, one stone)
Graal's basically a tap game/farming simulator for me, until ngs is released, if ever  

Posted by TomatoPanda

Simple solution: Have the "Are You There?" Messages stop the player from doin anything (moving, sword slashing, bomb planting, even clicking on pms) till pushed this way if someones not paying attention cause their watching a movie theyll notice how their not moving on the screen and theyll see the message.

Should probably make the are you there messages less frequent if you do this also try to make it a Hold are you there message so the player doesnt just click it by accident not even noticing it

Another solution: Redue farming and make it actually a bit fun so people actually look at their screens when their playing.

No man that would actually kill all house activities , for example we run a Ctf mini-game in a house and the message is actually boring when you're fighting , imagine this message in a spar that's the same  

Using multiple accounts to have an advantage in gaining money surely should be under some rule? if all the accounts helping in farming(possibly come under the botting/macroing if any) Could you post what you was actually doing lol idk why anyone would put on like 3accs for sake of few gralats to be fair.

@the overall ‘are you there system’ not keen on it when I was playing/went afk for little while but obviously flaws in it if he’s still able to farm with it being missed? Not sure how I’d go about combatting that, but makes me think people have probably been doing that years then?


When I was on certain server Bots/Macroing never came up on RC (bar speedchecks) not sure if on classic different but if not he himself was being targeted, maybe next time you should as staff warp them to unstick instead so they can fully tell if it was botting or not to start off with..
Also the idea of the ‘I slashed 5-10times before noticed was dragged then said I’m not botting’ doesn’t exactly cancel out what they thought you may be doing just because someone may bot doesn’t mean they are always away from screen they could simply be oh - using a bot while watching tv while near screen incase staff caught up(Not that I’m saying this happened but it also saying that it could not of) that’s why I think the warping would have been alot better Idea than the drag as if they were actually playing the whole screen would change making player more realise but also enough time for staff to check  

Posted by G Fatal

Could you post what you was actually doing lol idk why anyone would put on like 3accs for sake of few gralats to be fair.

with house gralats locked, 6k every hour, 2k each farm. In order to not die of boredom, I watch a show/movie

My phone's account was dragged to the bottom right wall of my house, I moved my character back up to the conveyor belts. Whoever the staff member was they did a poor job, and don't know how bots work  

Posted by Aguzo

bruh he not cheating this is just smart don't be mad cause he got this figured out  

Posted by Bio Boss

bruh he not cheating this is just smart don't be mad cause he got this figured out

Yea, he figured out a way to cheat better than someone else. Bravo.  

Posted by Reemas

Yea, he figured out a way to cheat better than someone else. Bravo.

I was banned for potentially using bots. There is no rule against using 3 accounts and manually farming. The thing that impresses me is that I moved when I was dragged, which is something a macro can't do from my understanding. (without slashing the sword every time you move slightly up)

Posted by Dusty

You don't get automatically banned by any systems so that means a staff member personally checked to see if he was botting and there was no response.

 

Posted by Reemas

Uhh Dusty actually works on the game and Im pretty sure he has the statistics to make changes to the game as necessary. You, on the other hand, do not.

All I'm saying, Is everyone ik who botted, Still does, if anything I hear more of people botting than before. And if anything there is the conveyor belt autofarm to just show how crappy that "Are you there" message really turned out.So really if not even one person I know who botted hasn't stopped at all, Probably just means it hasn't done anything, Don't really need stats when you have solid evidence to prove something wrong. If we went by that logic we could say "Oh wow it statistically says lions aren't eating meat anymore! But oddly Jimmy just got mauled by one" Statistics aren't anything at all when you got actual evidence of people botting. And that no one you ever knew who used bots hasn't stopped  

Posted by Dusty

If you're using three devices and so tuned out watching TV or whatever that you act and react like a bot what kind of outcome are you expecting? Staff aren't psychic, there's only so many things they can do to judge if someone is botting/macroing and it sounds like you ticked all the boxes while using multiple accounts at the same time.

Aguzo, Dusty mentioned this too.  

Ah I see what you mean now, ahahahahahhaaha tobefair this is pretty dam good. Unsure how they come about on seeing this as botting seems like it just wasn’t handled aswell as could of been by whichever staff.. Not much they can do now from it though other than learn from it.

Also now I’ve actually seen what it is, Solution: If possible To make it so you are unable to slash weapons on conveyorbelt(arrowboards/anything else that can do this) that would be main solution unless somewhere down the line you have to do that for a que..nvm.  

Posted by Rusix

All I'm saying, Is everyone ik who botted, Still does, if anything I hear more of people botting than before. And if anything there is the conveyor belt autofarm to just show how crappy that "Are you there" message really turned out.So really if not even one person I know who botted hasn't stopped at all, Probably just means it hasn't done anything, Don't really need stats when you have solid evidence to prove something wrong. If we went by that logic we could say "Oh wow it statistically says lions aren't eating meat anymore! But oddly Jimmy just got mauled by one" Statistics aren't anything at all when you got actual evidence of people botting. And that no one you ever knew who used bots hasn't stopped

That’s right. That’s everyone that YOU know. Thus, you are limited to that data. You got a fraction of the picture. Where as, Dusty can see it all.  

This thread will be closed due to some stupid argument started with Reemas against everyone else in the thread.  

Posted by Reemas

Aguzo, Dusty mentioned this too.

http://www.graalonline.com/docs/conduct


There is no rule that I've heard of regarding the use of multiple accounts for farming.
Dusty and SnowNoob both said it was for the use of bots. The fact that I was using multiple accounts made it more suspicious
Toonslab can change the rules, without notice, but I wasn't banned for using multiple accounts. I would have been warned, since it would have been my "first violation"
If it were that, then they would be violating their "first violation" rule

In my case, they classified it as "extremely abusive behavior" (Use of bots), which is why they locked me out without a warning or "notice of any kind."
They did not follow up with an email explaining why I was banned.

Toonslab basically violated their Terms of Service by not abiding to their own Code of Conduct. They banned a user who was not breaking any rules, and they didn't bother to explain or try to help the user out
Someone told me that I could speak to Google or Apple about it. Could probably work, since I've purchased a lot of gralat packs

Posted by ethacon

This thread will be closed due to some stupid argument started with Reemas against everyone else in the thread.

The thread being closed could honestly favor me, since they'd be using that as an excuse to hide the fact that they broke their own rules
Especially when they reset my gralats