4/22 people atm wanted alltime to be gone forever, much for the 'majority' 'big community' having voice over others.
@Colin you do realise that the alltime ldrbd option isn't meaning scrap days/weeks etc they would still be there! so what's harm of being able to see the actual best guilds over all the years ios classic been out, only the sparring+staff gang are against it and stats show they are not the majority whether they try and par off people on a forum or not.  

Posted by PigParty

But all-time leaderboards are meant to be a competition for those striving to be the "best of the best". It's not supposed to come easy and quick, it's supposed to take a while to beat the best people in the game, but that doesn't mean it's pointless, because it's not.

I agree with this, but not in a context relating to Graal due to a bunch of different circumstances.

Look at how much easier PKing is now compared to back then due to mobs and a higher playercount. Doesn't it seem strange to compare Anyu and Xenthic all-time when the data is so skewed due to how completely different it is?

The same goes for towering. My last post explains what I think of towering back then compared to towering right now. With the guild system changing soon, it may be even more skewed. We might have a towering environment where the highest number of hours a guild gets per day is 10, and there are 20-30 other guilds that get between 0-9 hours daily. Is it really relevant at that point to compare those guilds against CoM having 20k on a leaderboard?  

Posted by Thallen

I agree with this, but not in a context relating to Graal due to a bunch of different circumstances.

Look at how much easier PKing is now compared to back then due to mobs and a higher playercount. Doesn't it seem strange to compare Anyu and Xenthic all-time when the data is so skewed due to how completely different it is?

The same goes for towering. My last post explains what I think of towering back then compared to towering right now. With the guild system changing soon, it may be even more skewed. We might have a towering environment where the highest number of hours a guild gets per day is 10, and there are 20-30 other guilds that get between 0-9 hours daily. Is it really relevant at that point to compare those guilds against CoM having 20k on a leaderboard?

I agree, it is different. But games progress, and aspects of the game do change. It's not really comparing, rather showing the current best people in that activity. You'll never be able to measure the true all-time value, but number-wise, you can. Some people want to compete past a 3 month period, and current all-time leaderboards is a good way to create that next level up.  

So really putting all in all:

It would be good if there was seasonal (that give whatever prize) and Alltime for the guilds that want to progress above that and become one of the best-eventually.  

I am aware of that, but in my opinion it just a useless statistic to display based on the way it works.

There is no point in one for towering guilds, because only like 4/5 guilds are potential candidates for being the 'best guilds' and you could go ask any of them and they will tell you their reason for doing it was for fun and because them and their members enjoyed it, not so they could be plastered on top of an all-time leaderboard. The idea that 1,000 hour guilds are the 'best guilds' to some people is beyond me, especially because it is an easy task and was even easier back then.

There is no competition in an all-time leaderboard for player killing or baddy killing nor is anyone on that list the 'best' because it doesn't take much skill for either of those activities, it just simply shows people who started earlier and played a lot more than others, and while yes, people like Anyu as mentioned before did pass them, but that isn't really something your everyday player is willing/capable to do.

Maybe displaying people with over 500k kills/baddy kills in the library or something would work, but I personally can't see a point in having all-time leaderboards displayed when the seasonal leaderboards that are shown are a much better system and as stated earlier things are much different now, so it would be better to view the all-time leaderboards as past achievements rather than actively use them for competition.  

Speaking of BKs, that's another reason. They used to be measured by flat baddy kills, now they're points. How do you prorate that? Seems like all-time leaderboards are really constricting in terms of development. Simple changes like the latest stamina thing that affects bombs and bows, that has a huge impact on an all-time PKs leaderboard.

I dunno, just seems sloppy to have all of this mushed together into a permanent leaderboard. Doesn't seem to really hold much merit when things change so often.  

Aside from towers, i never understood why graal has never had a room and que for "PK team death match" in a Big PK room say... 8 vs 8 or something. with a leaderboard for that  

Posted by qes

Aside from towers, i never understood why graal has never had a room and que for "PK team death match" in a Big PK room say... 8 vs 8 or something. with a leaderboard for that

Seems pointless to add when guild sparring already exists and is pretty much the exact same thing  

And there Seasonal Leaderboards are great, they should be the thing that gives prizes and actually matters. BUT having the all time leaderboard to look at swell would be nice, just to see.

Posted by Colin

Seems pointless to add when guild sparring already exists and is pretty much the exact same thing

I guess, except you can use bombs arrows and bushes. and hide behind things  

Bwt off thread topic ..fort leaderboard preference  

Posted by Colin

The current system should shows kills/spars/hours for the day, week, season, and all time.

Fixed  

Seasonal Leaderboard -without alltime;chose the wrong one in the poll by fault  

Posted by MBK

Seasonal Leaderboard -without alltime;chose the wrong one in the poll by fault

5outof23 atm wanted/want alltime to be removed forever.. Hi staff's majority.  

Posted by G Fatal

5outof23 atm wanted/want alltime to be removed forever.. Hi staff's majority.

if we value each vote by their IQ then option #3 is in the lead

 

Posted by Thallen

if we value each vote by their IQ then option #3 is in the lead

Behave.
As stated earlier knowing some knobhead would post this stuff, it's irrelevant if you try par someone off or not, it was said that they went with the majority of what players wanted. that isn't the case and obviously you'd disagree eitherway.
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