Posted by Mangsi

I was going by what a lot of people still believe to be true today. I know people pick and choose what they want, look at most baptist Christians. All the Mormons I knew believed that LGBT people were going to hell, the churches I went to said that if you rebeled against god's word you were going to hell. Heck, half of my cousins, aunts, etc. Believe that anyone who disobeys the Bible are going to hell.

People pick and choose what they want to hear. So I Was going by what I've always heard from the people around me growing up in a Christian family.

That's sad. I'm extremely grateful I'm a Lutheran (type of Christian) since we only read the Bible and interpret it for what it says, rather than reading too much into it and making our own conclusions. People shouldn't be representing the religion and telling people that they will go to hell if they're gay. As I've said before, in God's eyes, all sin is equal. People just judge what they don't understand and they don't have the right to twist God's word to help them judge others. If people who were gay went to hell just because they were gay, then everyone who ever once lied, thought bad about a person, or anything would go to hell (everyone). That's far from the case. The whole reason Jesus died on the cross is to forgive our sins. It doesn't matter what sin it is, it's forgiven, you just have to ask for it. You can't believe what some people say about their religion because many people twist it for themselves, even though it's supposed to be about everyone else, not just themselves.  

 

I have a question. I'll start off with a statement. Christians, and most other religions, aim to bring others into their religion and to believe. Do atheists or satanists care what others think? Do they want to sway the beliefs of others to their side?  

Posted by PigParty

That's sad. I'm extremely grateful I'm a Lutheran (type of Christian) since we only read the Bible and interpret it for what it says, rather than reading too much into it and making our own conclusions. People shouldn't be representing the religion and telling people that they will go to hell if they're gay. As I've said before, in God's eyes, all sin is equal. People just judge what they don't understand and they don't have the right to twist God's word to help them judge others. If people who were gay went to hell just because they were gay, then everyone who ever once lied, thought bad about a person, or anything would go to hell (everyone). That's far from the case. The whole reason Jesus died on the cross is to forgive our sins. It doesn't matter what sin it is, it's forgiven, you just have to ask for it. You can't believe what some people say about their religion because many people twist it for themselves, even though it's supposed to be about everyone else, not just themselves.

IF heaven/hell were real, my young mind would probably believe what I've always been told, because it's been ingrained in the back of my mind, that if heaven is real a certain group of people is going to hell. But I don't believe in it because to me it's a ****ty idea in general to have someone sent to heaven/hell based of their religion, actions in life, or anything like that. So it's easier for me to just not believe in anything like that all together.


And personally, I don't try to sway people to my side. I want people to be happy in whatever religion they want to be in, without me shoving my religion down their throats.  

Posted by PigParty

I have a question. I'll start off with a statement. Christians, and most other religions, aim to bring others into their religion and to believe. Do atheists or satanists care what others think? Do they want to sway the beliefs of others to their side?

Yes and no, works both ways.

Some Christians will try to convert people, others will not. Same applies to atheism and satanism.

Atheism isn't really a belief though, just a group of people who choose to not believe but some of those people do try really hard to down talk other religions and make sure everyone knows how stupid religion is which is why they often have a bad reputation. Easier to just say you are agnostic or don't care about it.

I would assume it's pretty easy for satanism to attract edgy teenagers to join but I don't think they aim to convert as much as Christians because like they claim they don't really believe anything so kind of dumb to try and convert people.  

Posted by Vicipower

Now if you'd ask me, I think anyone who is still able to support the Church or any religion that did those horrible actions back then, needs to seriously rethink their choice in religion. Because if you would be disagreeing now with the things the christian church did back then, you would most likely get executed, so how could you still label yourself to that religion? Even if it has changed now, the first old book isnt going to.

Yeah um I'm pretty sure exactly 1% of Christians and Catholics combined actually think the corrupt Church did good things.

Only one pope ever apologized but ykno, after a few thousand years. Bit late if you wanna ask me?

Are you serious? What has the pope done that he needs to apologize for? He's not apologizing for his actions, he's apologizing for the actions of popes that have lived before him. If you really think that isn't an honorable action, I think you need to rethink your perspective on this matter.

Not trying to disrespect anyones religion here, I'd just like to see what people have to say about the things the church did back then.

Uh, why? It's already established that the Church was corrupt. It's not like we were alive back then.

The Church was corrupt and everyone knows that. It's what they taught us in history books. What more is there to say?

Times have changed. It's not like the Church is banishing people from their countries today, or executing homosexuals. Don't live in the past, live in the now.  

just a protip for you edgy debate pros: dont confuse religions with their followers, argue one or the other to make it easier for yourself. : - )  

Posted by CM

Yeah um I'm pretty sure exactly 1% of Christians and Catholics combined actually think the corrupt Church did good things.

I didn't meant that those people would support the things they did, I meant as in support the church as it is of right now.
I think it's hypocritial to overlook the **** that has been done in the past.
It is wrong, and it should not ever be forgiven nor forgotten, its a religion and not a person. People change but that book doesn't and the things that this church did in the past is beyond cruel, dont you agree?
People don't forget any of the wars that happened, so why would anyone want to forget all the Witchhunts and the deaths of people who would believed in something else? Why would someone support a hypocritial church like that? Just because they're saying different things now makes you overlook the fact that so many people have died just because they didn't believe in the things the church has told them?

Are you serious? What has the pope done that he needs to apologize for? He's not apologizing for his actions, he's apologizing for the actions of popes that have lived before him. If you really think that isn't an honorable action, I think you need to rethink your perspective on this matter.

I don't really think that I stated the fact that it isn't a honorable action.. but alright? Sorry that you picked it up like that I guess, I meant it as in :
It was very late, very very late. Obviously its amazing that at least someone stood up and apologized I guess?

Uh, why? It's already established that the Church was corrupt. It's not like we were alive back then.

Thats kinda like saying that WW1 or WW2 didn't really matter because we weren't really alive back then, or wow dude the twin towers happened quite a while ago, who cares?
And about those ISIS people literally ****ing killing anyone who doesn't share their beliefs, dude come oooooon, right. Its not like something is repeating itself in history right now pfft?


NOTE:
Obviously its not a total **** religion, it has a TON of good aspects and all and I get why people would be christian, but I kind of don't at the same time? I mean I really dont man, I have no clue.  

Yah but Vici satanism stems from people who actually worshipped the devil and did very disturbing things because of it, including murder and torture.

Your 'religion' history is just as bad so maybe you should take your own advice and rethink that.

Things done in the past by popes like witch hunting/ the crusades were more done for power than actual religious means and they often lied about stuff like God would forgive the crusaders etc when they sinned by killing innocents and it was alright, these were the actions of people not the religion because the Bible does not state any thing about killing other people unlike the first forms of satanism that told people to go sacrifice others and them selves  

Posted by Colin

Yah but Vici satanism stems from people who actually worshipped the devil and did very disturbing things because of it, including murder and torture.

Your 'religion' history is just as bad so maybe you should take your own advice and rethink that.

Things done in the past by popes like witch hunting/ the crusades were more done for power than actual religious means and they often lied about stuff like God would forgive the crusaders etc when they sinned by killing innocents and it was alright, these were the actions of people not the religion because the Bible does not state any thing about killing other people unlike the first forms of satanism that told people to go sacrifice others and them selves

Bud,
Laveyan satanism comes from Atheism but is just mixing in simple rituals for bonding with other people so I think you got something wrong there. Killing people or animals or raping little boys is strictly prohibited in LAVEYAN satanism dude and it shouldn't be related with Wiccan stuff? It just simply took the name of satanism but that doesnt makes the entire religion a ****ing murderclub.  

Ahhh, the good'ol kill an unborn child ritual bonding experience, my favourite of the bunch.

It doesn't make it a murder club you're right, but it stems from one and what you are describing isn't really a religion if it's based on atheism.

I think believing in the Church even after stuff that has happened in the past makes more sense than edgy self worship, the religion isn't the reason bad things happened it is mostly all good and has taught good.  

Posted by Colin

Ahhh, the good'ol kill an unborn child ritual bonding experience, my favourite of the bunch.

It doesn't make it a murder club you're right, but it stems from one and what you are describing isn't really a religion if it's based on atheism.

I think believing in the Church even after stuff that has happened in the past makes more sense than edgy self worship, the religion isn't the reason bad things happened it is mostly all good and has taught good.

Yeah dude I love sacrificing little siblings from certain people, you know, It just totally gets me?

I would call it a religion since it has multiple "deities/demons" whatever you wanna call it, just.. you dont have to praise them or even believe theyre real but I guess you could?

Yeah, so the former popes used the religion as a shield to do those horrible things and obviously no ones is calling those guys mass murderers and is just overlooking it?
What about all the other dirt though? Like how women have waaaay less rights in christianity? Is not everyone equal?

Also: Whats edgy about liking yourself and trying to stay on the right path (9 sins)?
Its not like Im going to shout into peoples faces that I friggin love myself and Idgaf what they think lol?  

u guys cant handle real santaism like i do

Posted by Vicipower

I would call it a religion since it has multiple "deities/demons" whatever you wanna call it, just.. you dont have to praise them or even believe theyre real but I guess you could?

If you don't believe in them, then your Satanism much as a religion as atheism is.

Seriously, if you don't believe in any of it then why would you consider it your religion? You're allowed to find something intriguing without actually taking it on yourself. Otherwise nearly all of Graalians users would be going around claiming they are Jedis.  

Posted by Vicipower

I would call it a religion since it has multiple "deities/demons" whatever you wanna call it, just.. you dont have to praise them or even believe theyre real but I guess you could?

So you admit that devil worshiping is a part of Satanism but you still think Christianity is bad?

It is widely acknowledge that past popes who abused their power are bad, they are just dead and there is no sense in making a big deal out of it and your women rights statement is just absurd, you don't know anything about Christianity or the way it works now if that's how you think.

The whole premise of The Garden of Eden is actually about men sinning not women, for a religion where women have way less rights that doesn't make much sense. The whole point of the faith is love and acceptance for all, including women.  

Posted by Colin

So you admit that devil worshiping is a part of Satanism but you still think Christianity is bad?

It is widely acknowledge that past popes who abused their power are bad, they are just dead and there is no sense in making a big deal out of it and your women rights statement is just absurd, you don't know anything about Christianity or the way it works now if that's how you think.

The whole premise of The Garden of Eden is actually about men sinning not women, for a religion where women have way less rights that doesn't make much sense. The whole point of the faith is love and acceptance for all, including women.

Basically the devil worshipping isn't really worshipping actual evil spirits, if you did your research on that topic you'd knew dude.
Its summoning or calling good **** alright, not the things that are going to possess little kids lmao, nice
PLUS ITS SYMBOLIC

Also I'm pretty sure that a woman can not become a pastor or a priest or whatever, so? I think thats pretty much "less rights". So women can't have a career there, yes very equal!

Also the Garden of Eden is basically God throwing out his own children bcuz they sinned, yeah man Ima throw my children out too once they use their first swear word, jesus christ.
Plus doesnt the family tree of adam & eve get really nasty later on?