Just do the same damn thing you do with alcohol, you make it legal, put a little bit of juice in the economy, and then regulate it the same way we do for alcohol, for safety concerns.  

Posted by Platinum

Firstly, I'd like to state I've only read this page (page 14) and the first, so if something I state has already been negated earlier on please let me know.
Yes, there's a TL;DR at the bottom, because I love you all

There's no true benefit to marijuana legalisation, whether for medicinal usage or recreational. The cons simply out-do the pros for both scenarios.
Medical usage of cannabis is minimal, there being many more better-performing drugs already legalised and that medical marijuana has unwanted side effects. Common usage, when necessary, includes softening nausea and vomiting in chemotherapy patients. However this is generally in the form of THC tablets, not the actual cannabis plant. THC tablets are able to be synthetically produced, but alternatives exist. Rather, cases of bronchitis and potentially cancer have been linked, the former extremely, to the use of cannabis, as it contains over 50 carcinogens. It's also been linked to cardiovascular disease and arteritis.
Usage in adolescents has also shown a somewhat permanent decreased cognitive ability. One time use, not so much, however consistent use showed this.


Recreational usage is only really used for those who want to get high. Let's face it. Now, the effects may not be as detrimental as say, heroin, however in-direct fatalities and injuries are relatively common. While ODing on cannabis is near impossible, the symptoms experienced by users make roads, construction, and general day to day life extremely unsafe for the individual and others, not to mention the side effects mentioned above.

A common argument is "Alcohol is worse". Well, yes it is. It's only still legal as it's become ingrained in our culture and way of life. But just because it's still legal, doesn't mean cannabis has to be too. Think of all the lives that have been lost due to alcohol related incidents, whether liver fail, drunk driving, or falling off a cliff/onto the road/really doing anything.
I ask you all, is it really worth countless lives to introduce another harmful drug into society?

Firstly, I'd like to state I've only read this page (page 14) and the first, so if something I state has already been negated earlier on please let me know.

There's no true benefit to marijuana legalisation, whether for medicinal usage or recreational. The cons simply out-do the pros for both scenarios.
Medical usage of cannabis is minimal, there being many more better-performing drugs already legalised and that medical marijuana has unwanted side effects. Common usage, when necessary, includes softening nausea and vomiting in chemotherapy patients. However this is generally in the form of THC tablets, not the actual cannabis plant. THC tablets are able to be synthetically produced, but alternatives exist. Rather, cases of bronchitis and potentially cancer have been linked, the former extremely, to the use of cannabis, as it contains over 50 carcinogens. It's also been linked to cardiovascular disease and arteritis.
Usage in adolescents has also shown a somewhat permanent decreased cognitive ability. One time use, not so much, however consistent use showed this.


Recreational usage is only really used for those who want to get high. Let's face it. Now, the effects may not be as detrimental as say, heroin, however in-direct fatalities and injuries are relatively common. While ODing on cannabis is near impossible, the symptoms experienced by users make roads, construction, and general day to day life extremely unsafe for the individual and others, not to mention the side effects mentioned above.

A common argument is "Alcohol is worse". Well, yes it is. It's only still legal as it's become ingrained in our culture and way of life. But just because it's still legal, doesn't mean cannabis has to be too. Think of all the lives that have been lost due to alcohol related incidents, whether liver fail, drunk driving, or falling off a cliff/onto the road/really doing anything.

I ask you all, is it really worth countless lives to introduce another harmful drug into society?

TL;DR:Marijuana is bad/pointless for society to legalise. Practically useless in the medical field currently and changing one's mental state (ie getting high) is bad for the individual and society.

Such ******ed points. After the last one I couldn't take anymore.

I was bolding them.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

Such ******ed points. After the last one I couldn't take anymore.

I was bolding them.

Such an intelligent and expansive rebuttal you have given, you really are adding to this debate.

Posted by Yog

Didn't read your entire post but this part isn't true. Legalizing it would allow the government to tax it, and there have been cases where those prone to seizures have been nearly cured due to cannabis oils.

While it would provide tax money for the government, it's worth noting that the price of marijuana would drop tremendously with the legalisation. Although prices could be set high if there's a high tax. Regardless, it wouldn't have that much of an impact on a state's tax income.

Also, though these cases have happened, they need more research before they can be fully verified to alleviate seizures. There's also that they are many seizure medications available for patients to find what works best for them.  

Posted by Platinum

Such an intelligent and expansive rebuttal you have given, you really are adding to this debate.



While it would provide tax money for the government, it's worth noting that the price of marijuana would drop tremendously with the legalisation. Although prices could be set high if there's a high tax. Regardless, it wouldn't have that much of an impact on a state's tax income.

Also, though these cases have happened, they need more research before they can be fully verified to alleviate seizures. There's also that they are many seizure medications available for patients to find what works best for them.

You kind of missed the debate. And no, the prices wouldn't drop. It's already legal in a lot of places and it's actually more expensive then street prices. Look up the revenue it brings in from the Country, then look up the amount they spent incarcerating individuals for it, and the war on drugs, and just imagine how much they saved.

Marijuana may be harmful for your body, but so is everything else. It's not even significantly harmful.

Also, typing a lot doesn't make your post appear more intelligent.

It just means nobody will read it.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

Look up the revenue it brings in from the Country, then look up the amount they spent incarcerating individuals for it, and the war on drugs, and just imagine how much they saved.

War on drugs is such bull****. Wish they would just end it. It would save billions.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

You kind of missed the debate. And no, the prices wouldn't drop. It's already legal in a lot of places and it's actually more expensive then street prices. Look up the revenue it brings in from the Country, then look up the amount they spent incarcerating individuals for it, and the war on drugs, and just imagine how much they saved.

Marijuana may be harmful for your body, but so is everything else. It's not even significantly harmful.

Also, typing a lot doesn't make your post appear more intelligent.

It just means nobody will read it.

The prices are probably higher due to competition  

Posted by Yog

War on drugs is such bull****. Wish they would just end it. It would save billions.

They could feed more than half of the homeless with the amount they waste on the war on drugs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3123397.html

20 billion dollars a year, just on Marijuana.

There's 610k homeless people in America.

With the amount of money they spend on the war on weed, they could give each homeless person 32k dollars a year. Anyone who thinks it should be illegal is just an asshole at this point.

Posted by TWIZ

The prices are probably higher due to competition

They also tax the **** out of it. Which in my opinion is a good idea.

Not even mentioning that Colorado alone brought in millions from Marijuana taxes.
http://time.com/4037604/colorado-marijuana-tax-revenue/  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

You kind of missed the debate. And no, the prices wouldn't drop. It's already legal in a lot of places and it's actually more expensive than street prices. Look up the revenue it brings in from the Country, then look up the amount they spent incarcerating individuals for it, and the war on drugs, and just imagine how much they saved.

Marijuana may be harmful for your body, but so is everything else. It's not even significantly harmful.

As TWIZ stated above, it's likely due to the increase in competition.

We don't need more harmful substances plaguing our communities.

A common argument is "Alcohol is worse". Well, yes it is. It's only still legal as it's become ingrained in our culture and way of life. But just because it's still legal, doesn't mean cannabis has to be too. Think of all the lives that have been lost due to alcohol related incidents, whether liver fail, drunk driving, or falling off a cliff/onto the road/really doing anything.
I ask you all, is it really worth countless lives to introduce another harmful drug into society?

 

Posted by Platinum

As TWIZ stated above, it's likely due to the increase in competition.

We don't need more harmful substances plaguing our communities.

Oh yeah, because starvation and death are worse than what you have stated. You ever been to McDonalds? I suppose that should be illegal? I mean you're practically killing yourself.

Posted by Platinum

As TWIZ stated above, it's likely due to the increase in competition.

We don't need more harmful substances plaguing our communities.

Read my post above yours, and please argue with that. Please, I dare you.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

They could feed more than half of the homeless with the amount they waste on the war on drugs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3123397.html

20 billion dollars a year, just on Marijuana.

There's 610k homeless people in America.

With the amount of money they spend on the war on weed, they could give each homeless person 32k dollars a year.

I agree on that they should spend less on marijuana enforcement, and distribute it towards more pressing issues.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

20 billion dollars a year, just on Marijuana.

There's 610k homeless people in America.

With the amount of money they spend on the war on weed, they could give each homeless person 32k dollars a year. Anyone who thinks it should be illegal is just an asshole at this point.

and it's barely even making a dent

 

Posted by Platinum

As TWIZ stated above, it's likely due to the increase in competition.

We don't need more harmful substances plaguing our communities.

Also since in your quote you deemed it necessary to highlight my one error which wasn't even that big of a deal, especially when compared to your barely readable cesspool of **** which was your entrance to this debate, I will say this.

Typing a lot doesn't make your argument seem intelligent y'know? It just makes nobody read what you're saying.

Posted by Platinum

I agree on that they should spend less on marijuana enforcement, and distribute it towards more pressing issues.

Then why do you act like it's crack polluting our minds and killing us instantly? There has been so many people over the years who have done wonders for the world, and lived long and happy lives all while smoking weed. I doubt anyone would have done that if weed was like you described. And they need to spend less? No ****ing ****. They could get rid of the homeless if they just quit the war on Marijuana alone. Please just stop trying to argue... I can't see any reasonable points you could make rn.  

Posted by Distorted_P2P

Oh yeah, because starvation and death are worse than what you have stated. You ever been to McDonalds? I suppose that should be illegal? I mean you're practically killing yourself.
Then why do you act like it's crack polluting our minds and killing us instantly? There has been so many people over the years who have done wonders for the world, and lived long and happy lives all while smoking weed. I doubt anyone would have done that if weed was like you described. And they need to spend less? No ****ing ****. They could get rid of the homeless if they just quit the war on Marijuana alone. Please just stop trying to argue... I can't see any reasonable points you could make rn.


Read my post above yours, and please argue with that. Please, I dare you.

Holy ****. Drugs are different to food. Also, I'd like to restate my point that drugs change your mental state, not just release dopamine. Drugs are harmful to those around you.

Alrighty, I accept this challenge.

Spoiler

Posted by Distorted_P2P

They could feed more than half of the homeless with the amount they waste on the war on drugs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3123397.html

20 billion dollars a year, just on Marijuana.

There's 610k homeless people in America.

With the amount of money they spend on the war on weed, they could give each homeless person 32k dollars a year. Anyone who thinks it should be illegal is just an asshole at this point.

20 billion dollars spent on enforcing marijuana laws is a justifiable amount, as its intentions are not just to arrest those abusing cannabis. Declaring war on drugs is not just declaring war on illicit drugs, it is declaring war on those who deal, use, sell, and involve themselves with illicit drugs - crime syndicates and the like. We all know of their dodgy dealings in black markets, and one of the ways governments try to combat them is to cut out their front line. Arresting those with weed is the best way to do this as weed is carried around a lot more frequently and less securely than 'harder' drugs such as cocaine. As such, the government is working to protect its citizens from crime syndicates and the harmful effects of cannabis.
If we were really were to cut some part of the US budget, why not the military? The military budget for 2012 was a whooping $682 billion.

Posted by Distorted_P2P

Also since in your quote you deemed it necessary to highlight my one error which wasn't even that big of a deal, especially when compared to your barely readable cesspool of **** which was your entrance to this debate, I will say this.

Typing a lot doesn't make your argument seem intelligent y'know? It just makes nobody read what you're saying.

No, I'm just quite immature so I apologise.

That was an error in the submit process, I posted the same thing twice accidently.  

If they legalize it all across America...bye bye drug lords from Mexicano. I'm sure they gunna be losing hell of a lot of money so no more business ~ ; ). Problem solved, #legalizeIt. i joke I joke  

Legalizing marijuana will also lead to more investment into the informal economy