Posted by Coco

And it's the people that aren't responsible about it that make me feel like we should be a lot more strict. The people that are responsible about it would have nothing to worry about because, well, they're responsible.

I disagree, the vast majority should not be even more inconvenienced because of a relatively small fragment of irresponsible users. Society has already taken that step anyway and the number of drunk driving incidents are luckily declining.

You can be and live a perfectly happy life without them and imo you and the people around you are better off without them.

You honestly can't make that claim because, as you say, you've never tried it.

I'm not against making it legal. I'm for it for some of the reasons other people have said previously. I just think strict rules should apply to those who aren't using it within the confines of their own home since I don't want people I care about or myself to be sideswiped by some high or drunk idiot that thought "I'm totally capable of driving" instead of waiting until they were sober like a responsible person should.

Again, you're missing the massive gap between getting drunk/high at home and intoxicated driving. Intoxicated + going outside does NOT mean you're going to hop in a car the first chance you get. People drink at bars, go clubbing, etc and it's almost always fine.

There will always be a few idiots that completely ruin it for everybody else, be it drunk driving or texting + driving. In the end, education is important. I don't go near my car keys for 24 hours after I've had even a drop of alcohol. I'm all for stricter laws on restricting drivers if they're being ******ed, I just don't know how some places (esp in the US where public transportation isnt adequate in many areas) could viably enforce it.  

Posted by Crono

I disagree, the vast majority should not be even more inconvenienced because of a relatively small fragment of irresponsible users. Society has already taken that step anyway and the number of drunk driving incidents are luckily declining.

I don't see how it would be an inconvenience for responsible drinkers. If every drinker was like you and didn't go near their car until they were 100% sober, then how would stricter rules even apply to them? I can only see it being an extremely slight inconvenience of not any at all unless you weren't responsible about it.

Posted by Crono

Again, you're missing the massive gap between getting drunk/high at home and intoxicated driving. Intoxicated + going outside does NOT mean you're going to hop in a car the first chance you get. People drink at bars, go clubbing, etc and it's almost always fine.

No, but they could stumble around falling in the streets or subway tracks or get in fights. Drunk people are unpredictable and incapable of taking care of themselves when they're intoxicated.

Posted by Crono

There will always be a few idiots that completely ruin it for everybody else, be it drunk driving or texting + driving. In the end, education is important. I don't go near my car keys for 24 hours after I've had even a drop of alcohol. I'm all for stricter laws on restricting drivers if they're being ******ed, I just don't know how some places (esp in the US where public transportation isnt adequate in many areas) could viably enforce it.

I'm glad you're one of the few that are responsible about it. Would be nice if everyone that liked to drink was like that.  

Coco's right tho, pretty much everything I had said earlier, Coco said in much more detail.  

Posted by Coco

I don't see how it would be an inconvenience for responsible drinkers. If every drinker was like you and didn't go near their car until they were 100% sober, then how would stricter rules even apply to them? I can only see it being an extremely slight inconvenience of not any at all unless you weren't responsible about it.



No, but they could stumble around falling in the streets or subway tracks or get in fights. Drunk people are unpredictable and incapable of taking care of themselves when they're intoxicated.

well, you're arguing for stricter rules on alcohol/drug consumption in general (atleast in the original post).

i dunno, people drink a lot in nordic countries and things seem to be going ok  

You can make the rules as strict as you want, but there will always be people drinking and smoking illegally. Everyone shouldn't suffer because of these people since they will always exist.. The laws are already strict, it's just that a lot of people don't follow them lol.

And for Colin, have you ever been high before?  

So many people saying that they can't wait for weed to be legalised yet they'd be too scared to smoke it even if it was xd  

Posted by Colin

Maybe where you live but this is taken right off a government statistics website

"Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 51 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $59 billion."

About 30 too many, and many more people still drive high/drunk.

Legalizing weed is dumb but may as well make money off it because people will do it anyways, the fact that a majourity of teenagers and todays youth are only getting into political debates when it's about weed kind of says something

The fact people on here trying to convince us driving high is ok and not bad at all should also say something

Yeahhh not like we don't see crashes everyday related to marijuana more than drunk related.  

Make it legal and grow a vast amount of it in USA and sell it to other country's like China and make them all high lazy workers while also getting money for selling it and then more money for our **** economy.

I'm non-pro life the less population the better!

Just make it have same rules as drinking and everything would be fine just no smoking it at public events like at a high school football game I hate having to smell that **** when I'm trying to watch sports.  

Posted by Colin

Maybe where you live but this is taken right off a government statistics website

"Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 51 minutes. The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $59 billion."

About 30 too many, and many more people still drive high/drunk.

Legalizing weed is dumb but may as well make money off it because people will do it anyways, the fact that a majourity of teenagers and todays youth are only getting into political debates when it's about weed kind of says something

The fact people on here trying to convince us driving high is ok and not bad at all should also say something

I know it's a played out story but when I was younger I was diagnosed with "depression", and had the choice to take anti-depressants or just do my own thing, and of course I chose to do my own thing, seeing that I was younger and didn't give a **** about anything. Then as life went on I progressively got more annoyed and disgusted with things/people who I usually were fine with, no reason why. I actually reached a point where my friends even annoyed me when they weren't really doing anything provoking of such feelings. Then one day when I was bored I decided I'd smoke a joint with my friends sister, (I think in like sixth grade) this was probably when I was at my worst mental state. Afterwards of course I went through that, "Oh I'm tripping so hard" state. But as I continued to smoke more often I started to gain a new outlook on life, people started to notice that I was more happy and it made me more productive in school, mainly because I was constantly thinking about what would happen to me or my future if I didn't, whereas before I had sort of the, "**** it I don't give a ****, what's the point of all this", mentality. It changed my whole perception. So for you to say it's, "dumb" to legalize it is just pretty ignorant in my opinion. I know a lot of people that it has helped and you can be successful while smoking, it's all in the mentality. Got me through middle and highschool, now I'm in College and everyone does it haha.

Posted by Colin

The fact people on here trying to convince us driving high is ok and not bad at all should also say something

Obviously you've never been high, so I wouldn't compare being high and drunk, they are two VERY different feelings. Most stoners can function but most alcoholics can't function. I'm not saying it's okay to drive stoned, but if you can handle it then it's definitely not as dangerous as driving drunk.

Posted by TomatoPanda

Make it legal and grow a vast amount of it in USA and sell it to other country's like China and make them all high lazy workers while also getting money for selling it and then more money for our **** economy.

I'm non-pro life the less population the better!

Just make it have same rules as drinking and everything would be fine just no smoking it at public events like at a high school football game I hate having to smell that **** when I'm trying to watch sports.

China has more drug users, or a very close amount.
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Res...inal.pdf?la=en

Posted by Albie

So many people saying that they can't wait for weed to be legalised yet they'd be too scared to smoke it even if it was xd

That's because most of the users on this forum are kids, and I think it's probably a good thing they don't do illegal drugs.

**** hypocrisy I know I was a bad kid, legal for me now though.

Posted by Coco

I don't see how it would be an inconvenience for responsible drinkers. If every drinker was like you and didn't go near their car until they were 100% sober, then how would stricter rules even apply to them? I can only see it being an extremely slight inconvenience of not any at all unless you weren't responsible about it.

It would be nice if people didn't walk around shooting each other either, can't just stop people from committing atrocious acts, drunk driving being one in my opinion, it's considered manslaughter for a reason.

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Not many accidents because of Marijuana.

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I have been high before numerous times and in a vehicle with a driver who was high, stop thinking you guys are good at driving high because you aren't you just think that because you are HIGH.

I don't want to live in a society where a go to solution for your problems and bad feelings is to go sit around and do drugs (which can act as a gateway into other drugs and bad behavior - as shown by you), you act like weed was the only option you had when you voluntarily turned down an actual medical solution to your depression.

You guys hype weed and act like it's the greatest thing out there that magically makes everyone go happy feel good better people but it doesn't.

I have seen so many friends get into this stuff and end up ruining parts of their life they end up regretting.

Under no circumstance should someone drive while high or drunk, trying to convince young teenagers otherwise is stupid.

Anyone who actually needs it can legally get it with the way the current system works, and IMO should be how it stays.  

Posted by Colin

I have been high before numerous times and in a vehicle with a driver who was high, stop thinking you guys are good at driving high because you aren't you just think that because you are HIGH.

I don't want to live in a society where a go to solution for your problems and bad feelings is to go sit around and do drugs (which can act as a gateway into other drugs and bad behavior - as shown by you), you act like weed was the only option you had when you voluntarily turned down an actual medical solution to your depression.

You guys hype weed and act like it's the greatest thing out there that magically makes everyone go happy feel good better people but it doesn't.

I have seen so many friends get into this stuff and end up ruining parts of their life they end up regretting.

Under no circumstance should someone drive while high or drunk, trying to convince young teenagers otherwise is stupid.

My brother is the best driver I know other than my dad, and he smokes it up while I'm in the passenger. He's just as good of a driver, if not better, since he doesn't road rage. In other words, it helps him act in reason of logic rather than anger, allowing him to function better.

I wouldn't doubt it if he ever smoked before an autocross race.

JS there are exceptions, so some topics cannot be generalized.  

Free the weed  

Great maybe he can drive good for him, but not everyone is your brother and saying driving while high is good and not a bad thing to do because it's "better" is not acceptable and will just make people think they are alright to drive when they aren't.  

Posted by Colin

I have been high before numerous times and in a vehicle with a driver who was high, stop thinking you guys are good at driving high because you aren't you just think that because you are HIGH.

I don't want to live in a society where a go to solution for your problems and bad feelings is to go sit around and do drugs (which can act as a gateway into other drugs and bad behavior - as shown by you), you act like weed was the only option you had when you voluntarily turned down an actual medical solution to your depression.

You guys hype weed and act like it's the greatest thing out there that magically makes everyone go happy feel good better people but it doesn't.

I have seen so many friends get into this stuff and end up ruining parts of their life they end up regretting.

Under no circumstance should someone drive while high or drunk, trying to convince young teenagers otherwise is stupid.

Anyone who actually needs it can legally get it with the way the current system works, and IMO should be how it stays.

It WAS my solution for depression, that was the entire point of what I posted. I eventually got a medical card for it, it's also a lot healthier and builds less of a dependency, then your, "medical solution".

And I didn't say you should drive high, I just stated the obvious fact that it is WAY less dangerous than drunk-driving.

And no offense, but your friends must be ****ing ******ed if they can ruin their lives just because they smoked weed. People always are under the false assumption that weed is the reason people mess up their lives, but really it's the user. Because people typically associated with weed are morons (because of it's bad reputation) then they assume weed is the cause, when in reality it serves no part in the events, unless however the user is a really big idiot and just bases their whole life around weed.

Weed has been proven countless times to not be harmful to your mental, and barely to your physical. The test that said it can harm your lungs was performed so long ago and the subjects (monkies) were in a room deprived of oxygen and only THC being pumped in. Of course they'd lose brain cells, most of the rumors about weed (not all, it'd be ignorant to say that) are simply fabricated.  

im against it. if we legalize it, percentage of marijuana users will increase. u guys know that alcohol age limit changed back to 21, cus it reduced the amount of accidents etc