Spar lag cap discussion. - 7

Aguzo · 08-20-2015

What I don't understand is, why someone who doesn't even spar in singles is telling others to not worry about the lag... makes no sense, also telling people to just give up...

I'm not business major, but that sounds like he gave up 1v1, because of the lag.

Fulgore · 08-20-2015

Posted by Aguzo

What I don't understand is, why someone who doesn't even spar in singles is telling others to not worry about the lag... makes no sense, also telling people to just give up...

I'm not business major, but that sounds like he gave up 1v1, because of the lag.

Can't give up what I was never really big on to begin with. Also it's great to see that I've picked apart this argument so well that you're resorting to baseless assumptions to try and bolster your case.

I'm not as active because I'm in college. Not because I'm even close to as petty enough to complain about delaying players on this game and attempt multiple times to try and take away from those who hardly have an advantage in the first place.

Unknown · 08-20-2015

Posted by Fulgore

Well even people with super low ping can randomly spike really high for a super short amount of time, and anyone on the border of whatever cap that may be is likely to never finish a spar. I'm also pretty sure the server itself has little spikes which would just stop the spar in that scenario or something weird. That's why I'd like the idea of the fluctuating ping cap (though not so close as to where those minor spikes will trigger anything) but the server is why it can't happen.

Basically most of these problems stem from the server not holding up too well.

Well until the servers are more capable, we should institute something in the interim. Maybe a few players might not like a set cap, but it's better than nothing until the situation is improved. Sometimes whats best for many is bad for a few. Can't please everyone.

Fulgore · 08-20-2015

Posted by Unknown

Well until the servers are more capable, we should institute something in the interim. Maybe a few players might not like a set cap, but it's better than nothing until the situation is improved. Sometimes whats best for many is bad for a few. No one will ever be happy. In my opinion its better to keep the masses happy, than to let stuff like this occur.

If the masses share the sentiment to (even if indirectly) halt the sparring of foreign players I'd be disappointed. But if that's the case then I can't really argue.

Aguzo · 08-20-2015

The point is to discuss about the lag, not spam the thread telling others that they have to "stop discussing about the lag"

Setting a cap is not the answer though. It would result in a lot of people not being able to spar.

Unless they can test the average ms per user in certain regions, and set a cap to each region based on the average user's ms range. If they could do that, then they would know who is causing more lag to their connection on purpose, and who is naturally lagging according to their region.
Then they could give warnings, "Lower your lag", locked from spar for 5 minutes, 20, 1 hour, 5 hours, etc.

Fulgore · 08-20-2015

Discussion isn't submission. I've been giving reasons why I think that's a bad idea and the thread has evolved.

Discussion isn't just when everyone gets on a thread and says "Yeah! I agree!" and holds up their pitchforks and torches.

Unknown · 08-20-2015

Posted by Fulgore

If the masses share the sentiment to (even if indirectly) halt the sparring of foreign players I'd be disappointed. But if that's the case then I can't really argue.

Where are you getting the idea of foreign players? I have said countless times now, its not foreign players.

Fulgore · 08-20-2015

Posted by Unknown

Where are you getting the idea of foreign players? I have said countless times now, its not foreign players.

That's where the "indirectly" part comes in. Even if a ping cap isn't discriminatory in itself (it isn't of course, it's just a number) the problem I see is that inherently a lot of foreign players won't fit under that cap and then can't spar, even if they aren't the warpy ones you refer to. I'd also like to stop the warp but it can't be feasibly done with the server the way it is I feel.

Red · 08-20-2015

are you guys still arguing over the best ways to exclude people from certain activities

You want to exclude foreign players from sparring isn't that racism? lol

Sarah_ · 08-20-2015

Posted by Unknown

I would even settle for 500 ms lag cap. Just sparred this person called "s-12" and couldn't even see him/her move for 2-3 seconds at a time. Why is that being allowed in the arena?

You sparred me when 3600+ were on, I'm in Egypt and this country doesn't even support 4G data what do you expect my latency to be? I don't live here and I bought a router especially for graal, you don't want me lagging then move your server close to where I am. I don't hack/vpn/cheat/fake lag just enough I get harassed everyday for delaying! I would have been reset already if I did that, I've sparred over 80k times. Dae was watching the spar, he told me I was only delaying and not warping so idk how you couldn't see me?? Cause I could see you clearly. You are mad I broke your streak.

Unknown · 08-20-2015

Posted by OG

are you guys still arguing over the best ways to exclude people from certain activities

You want to exclude foreign players from sparring isn't that racism? lol

I'm actually working on a map. Players who live in countries marked in red wont be able to log onto graal anymore. Countries in blue should be on their best behaviour. And countries in green are good to go.

Aguzo · 08-20-2015

Posted by OG

You want to exclude foreign players from sparring isn't that racism? lol

..., just ...

Unknown · 08-20-2015

Yeah Sarah I won't lie I was mad you broke my streak. You weren't warping the whole spar, only occasionally. The rest of the time it was difficult to hit you. I'm torn because I really don't want to exclude people, which it's probably good I'm not in a position to do anything about it. But sometimes it can be annoying. I know you can't help where you are in the world or what internet you have, but this wasn't a problem I've have to deal with in the past, so it's taking some adjusting on my part. Hope you can bear with me.

Ivy · 08-20-2015

Posted by Fulgore

I mean...I'm sure Graal would be fantastically wealthy if we didn't allow people far away to play it...

Better yet. If you aren't in Texas (where the server is at) then you don't get to play cause ping is too much. There.

I swear you people will never shut up after losing to someone who lags. Sarah beats me all the time, never see me cry about her living far from the server.

I'm I'm New Jersey atm. (closer to New York where I'm from now, as I've just moved a few weeks ago)
My ping is now in the 60's to 80's most of the time

super kurosaki · 08-20-2015

a lagcap isn't really needed, just learn to f***ing predict. Most of U go for direct hits then cry about how they don't register. (I used 2 do this)

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Aguzo Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 3,027	What I don't understand is, why someone who doesn't even spar in singles is telling others to not worry about the lag... makes no sense, also telling people to just give up... I'm not business major, but that sounds like he gave up 1v1, because of the lag.

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Fulgore Python Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,894	Discussion isn't submission. I've been giving reasons why I think that's a bad idea and the thread has evolved. Discussion isn't just when everyone gets on a thread and says "Yeah! I agree!" and holds up their pitchforks and torches.

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Red Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 3,255	are you guys still arguing over the best ways to exclude people from certain activities You want to exclude foreign players from sparring isn't that racism? lol

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Unknown US (BTK) Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 226	Yeah Sarah I won't lie I was mad you broke my streak. You weren't warping the whole spar, only occasionally. The rest of the time it was difficult to hit you. I'm torn because I really don't want to exclude people, which it's probably good I'm not in a position to do anything about it. But sometimes it can be annoying. I know you can't help where you are in the world or what internet you have, but this wasn't a problem I've have to deal with in the past, so it's taking some adjusting on my part. Hope you can bear with me.

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super kurosaki Registered User Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 574	a lagcap isn't really needed, just learn to f***ing predict. Most of U go for direct hits then cry about how they don't register. (I used 2 do this)