I need a gun safe. I want to heal myself as soon as I can and all I see is junk guns I don't even use any more.  

Maybe...A place to sell your old guns and melee and other items for half price at a store!  

Posted by Thunderstorm

Maybe...A place to sell your old guns and melee and other items for half price at a store!

Already posted such a thing for holiday weapons. SNK said he might add a "store" to sell them for minerals. Not sure if it will include normal guns too.

Posted by BabyGhost

I need a gun safe. I want to heal myself as soon as I can and all I see is junk guns I don't even use any more.

SNK already mentioned that he might make food equipable or something similar I think  

Posted by callimuc

Already posted such a thing for holiday weapons. SNK said he might add a "store" to sell them for minerals. Not sure if it will include normal guns too.



SNK already mentioned that he might do that or something similar. Not sure anymore

Yer I know, selling guns for minerals is still better than leaving them sitting in your inventory.  

It might be a little cheap to have food equipped. You almost kill someone but then they heal them self the next second.  

Posted by BabyGhost

It might be a little cheap to have food equipped. You almost kill someone but then they heal them self the next second.

There is a little freeze if you eat and that is enough to kill someone.  

If this trade system does come through, I think it would be a good idea if the name of the object the player is trying to sell is under it/ over it. This would mean that you would see the difference between an egg hacky sack, and an egg bomb or whatever. There are a lot of pros and cons to sort out from this idea. To be honest, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it was made because I'm not that stupid to drop an item that is priceless ;)  

I used to play a game called runescape allllong time ago before i found graal and mabey you could use a similar sort of trade where it shows the items values and whether your in favour or not, with a caution if something is changed in the trade, this would also mean any mistakes or lose of items would be the players fault hecause they didnt read over the trade before they accepted.  

Well ...... You guys dont understand ... Cant admins block other items.... (then block guns on trade) i just wanted to lower scams on Graal. I am meeting many people saying "i got scammed!" Well admins you should make this because this is the only online game i ever played without a trade system... Like Star Legends they have trade system..... and obviously all online PC games have it.....WHOS WITH ME?

Posted by Street

Hmm, I don't want to go into an economics lecture, but you are wrong on both statements.

No rational player would buy a BAR for over 200k, because they could get it at the store at anytime for 200k.

You can't make a profit when no one will buy your gun for more than 200,000.

There will be players who would sell for less than 200k. These players are the ones who don't want the BAR anymore and would rather have/need the cash for a new gun or whatever reason.

The issue around a no trade system in the game is not because we can't develop a trade system, or the GUI for a trade system... it is because the developers don't want a free economy where players can capitalize in certain assets, whether it's gun or money. In an open market, the demand of the guns are determined by the supply of the guns (supply is infinite in our current system). Prices are set by the developers in our current system. If we allowed trading of guns, in the long run the prices of guns would greatly decline way below the shop prices. Which implies no one will buy from the shops, which implies that the money is only circulated between the players.

This is an issue for any game industry. If money circulates only between players, and players are constantly making money via shells/gralat packs, pretty soon we would have TONS of money supply in the economy. There are a few issues associated with this. If players can buy the gun cheaper off another player, they would not buy from the shop. This means the money spent on the gun REMAINS in the economy. In our current system where the player is forced to buy from the shop, the money DISAPPEARS when it is spent on shop items. This results in reducing money supply, thus increasing demand for money. Increased demand for money means players buy gralat packs, which means revenue for game developers.

Basically, less guns being bought from shops = less revenue for game developers. How to prevent that? Not allowing trades. By not allowing trades, players are FORCED to buy their guns from the shops. Again, when they do this, money is taken out of the economy since it just goes to the game server (rather than to another player). When the player wants another gun, he can't simply sell his old gun to gain money and buy another gun, he has to get money buy either working (shells etC), or buying gralat packs.

Why not just limit the supply of guns? ie have a set amount of guns in the economy? You'll run into problems with item hoarding, and the difficulty for new players to obtain new items. Difficulty for new players to compete with the current players, will drive playercount down, which results in a decline of revenue for developers. If you ever have the chance to check out PC Graal Kingdoms, is is a GREAT example in a failed economy. That game's main currency is not even used as the primary currency. It is not a coincidence...over the past decade, PC Era has had numerous server resets (due to inflation) and an uncontrollable economy. Graal Kingdom suffers from an overly inflated economy and item hoarding (nearly impossible for new players to get their hands on decent items, which drives them to stop playing).

I have said it before in the past, and I'll say it again. To prevent scamming without worsening the current economy, there should be a trade system implemented only for items that are currently drop-able (not guns).

Well... If we can trade guns.... its ok .... Well would you accept the trade when the guy gave low money.... if you accepted your IDIOT

Posted by Jester Lapse

What we need is three furniture items

Gun Safe: to store previously bought guns to make room in a cluttered invintory

Sword Rack: same thing as gun rack except for melee items

Wardrobe: Serves as character slots but has 25 > baddabam!

ehhh they should refund my character slots if they do 25 free CS...  

Dunno if anyone understood streets comment but i did and totally agree  

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Posted by Vman13x

You obviously didn't understand what I said. Adding trade would lead to inflation which would lead to a ruined economy moron. This means that if it was existent, then it would follow what I just stated after a few years. The BAR is also not a gun that everyone is supposed to have (reason why it's so expensive). Trade would make it so common practically everyone would had it since they won't have to buy it with real life money anymore.

Trading most certainly would not lower scamming lol, just because you have to confirm does not mean people won't trick kids into dumb trades.

SHUT UP IF YOU ACCEPT THE TRADE AND YOU TRADED BAR FOR NOTHING ITS YOUR FAULT IT MEANS YOUR IDIOT.  

Indubitably.  

Posted by Street

Hmm, I don't want to go into an economics lecture, but you are wrong on both statements.

No rational player would buy a BAR for over 200k, because they could get it at the store at anytime for 200k.

You can't make a profit when no one will buy your gun for more than 200,000.

There will be players who would sell for less than 200k. These players are the ones who don't want the BAR anymore and would rather have/need the cash for a new gun or whatever reason.

The issue around a no trade system in the game is not because we can't develop a trade system, or the GUI for a trade system... it is because the developers don't want a free economy where players can capitalize in certain assets, whether it's gun or money. In an open market, the demand of the guns are determined by the supply of the guns (supply is infinite in our current system). Prices are set by the developers in our current system. If we allowed trading of guns, in the long run the prices of guns would greatly decline way below the shop prices. Which implies no one will buy from the shops, which implies that the money is only circulated between the players.

This is an issue for any game industry. If money circulates only between players, and players are constantly making money via shells/gralat packs, pretty soon we would have TONS of money supply in the economy. There are a few issues associated with this. If players can buy the gun cheaper off another player, they would not buy from the shop. This means the money spent on the gun REMAINS in the economy. In our current system where the player is forced to buy from the shop, the money DISAPPEARS when it is spent on shop items. This results in reducing money supply, thus increasing demand for money. Increased demand for money means players buy gralat packs, which means revenue for game developers.

Basically, less guns being bought from shops = less revenue for game developers. How to prevent that? Not allowing trades. By not allowing trades, players are FORCED to buy their guns from the shops. Again, when they do this, money is taken out of the economy since it just goes to the game server (rather than to another player). When the player wants another gun, he can't simply sell his old gun to gain money and buy another gun, he has to get money buy either working (shells etC), or buying gralat packs.

Why not just limit the supply of guns? ie have a set amount of guns in the economy? You'll run into problems with item hoarding, and the difficulty for new players to obtain new items. Difficulty for new players to compete with the current players, will drive playercount down, which results in a decline of revenue for developers. If you ever have the chance to check out PC Graal Kingdoms, is is a GREAT example in a failed economy. That game's main currency is not even used as the primary currency. It is not a coincidence...over the past decade, PC Era has had numerous server resets (due to inflation) and an uncontrollable economy. Graal Kingdom suffers from an overly inflated economy and item hoarding (nearly impossible for new players to get their hands on decent items, which drives them to stop playing).

I have said it before in the past, and I'll say it again. To prevent scamming without worsening the current economy, there should be a trade system implemented only for items that are currently drop-able (not guns).

Well era is like a real life ... so we can trade.....  

Yea vman :/ i know you mean well with your comments but no offense mabey you didnt have to be so negative all the time to peoples ideas, i mean thats all they are mabey say its a good idea but instead of basically your stupid i know more than you blah blah -rep everything else. People dont do that to you :/  

Posted by Charles

Well era is like a real life ... so we can trade.....

Says it all