Posted by mallard

Can you explain what's meant by social construct and why it applies to gender? "Social construct" makes it sound like it's made up and enforced by mutual agreement, like fiat money. From what I understand it's supposedly more tangible than that, so what gives?

I'll try to do it the best I can.

So yes, gender is a construct as it is society's interpretation of the sexes. Society sees a biological male and deems him masculine whereas they see a biological female and deems her feminine. The first part is the sex, and the latter part is the gender.

The social norms we have constructed for the sexes (i.e. that men are 'masculine' and women are 'feminine') is in-part that gender we have created for them. This does not immediately mean that men who do not like sports, etc. must identify as female, but that opportunity becomes available to them if they choose to pursue it. Basically, it's a matter of people not "feeling" like the gender they are assigned to at birth, however that may manifest itself.

Is it entirely made up? I think in the way you are asking, yes, though I'm not sure that's the best way to describe it. (I want to clarify that I do not think people are 'lying' or 'exaggerating' about their gender identity but that society constructs the idea of genders in the first place.) Many things that are essential to our personhood are by the same token "made up"—our race, our names, our personalities, etc. Though I would agree that they are non-sentient social creations that are, perhaps, "made up," this does not devalue them as crucial aspects to our humanization.

In my opinion, someone's gender, like their name and race, is something that they themselves should be allowed to control out of respect. Just as it would be disrespectful to call someone by a name unfavorable to them, it would be disrespectful to refer to someone as a gender to which they do not identify. So if someone should choose to identify as a different gender than their sex, then that is their prerogative and it ought to be respected and realized by those around them. This also leads into the fact that some prefer not to identify as either male or female and place themselves outside of the gender binary altogether. Here, we arrive at the existence of more than two genders.

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

Gonna feed you and say:

You're either male or female. This is decided when you're born as you're a man or woman. If you're male you're a man, if you're a woman then; yes, female.

You can be the prettiest little prince but you're still a male-man; a very disturbingly pretty one.

You can be a very butch slob, but you're still a female-woman.

Ain't no time for all this "identifying" non-sense, especially when it comes to legal matters.

Honestly this is just asinine. I don't mean to come off as a SJW, but there are plenty of instances around the world of abuse, assault, rape, murder, harassment, etc. against people who are transgenders because of this kind of rhetoric. Even if you don't agree with their lifestyle personally, you still need to be respectful and not perpetuate the hatred that leads to consequences I know you never intended.  

I am stunned at how seriously people have taken this thread.

I am literally laughing so much right now.  

Posted by Common Sense

I am stunned at how seriously people have taken this thread.

I am literally laughing so much right now.

If Multipass is your ******ed alt account I will kick a baby.  

No please just give me an other option with my gender choice in game. Also add more skin tones from heads to choose in the free version of ol west. Brown black reddish brown light brown olive yellowish brown. Not that hard and you'll get my kudos and love and all the repercussions.  

So apparently Facebook just added 50 gender options. Have fun learning about all of them.  

too bad graal doesn't have a transfestite option.  

i sexually identify as a dank meme. Plz no opressurino  

Posted by MattKan

Honestly this is just asinine. I don't mean to come off as a SJW, but there are plenty of instances around the world of abuse, assault, rape, murder, harassment, etc. against people who are transgenders because of this kind of rhetoric. Even if you don't agree with their lifestyle personally, you still need to be respectful and not perpetuate the hatred that leads to consequences I know you never intended.

If you're a guy, you're male. Simple as that. You can be as feminine and gay as you want and that's all fine and dandy, but you still and will always be a male and man. If you get your **** chopped off and take hormones then you are considered, by law, to be trans female-woman. Same goes for women and the reverse.

Honestly, we shouldn't be preaching that this is all fine as it's a chemical imbalance and goes against the very basic primal principles, but whatever. Do what ever makes you happy; just don't expect to be considered something you're not unless it involves a knife, hormones and the government.  

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

Honestly, we shouldn't be preaching that this is all fine as it's a chemical imbalance and goes against the very basic primal principles, but whatever.

Really now, doc? What chemicals, exactly?  

Posted by Draenin

Really now, doc? What chemicals, exactly?

Due to possible hormonal imbalances in the brain while developing in the womb, it is possible to develop GID/Gender Dysphoria.

Your body is male but your brain is messed up due to something going wrong in the process and you develop GID/Gender Dysphoria.  

what happened to just being a guy or a girl  

Lets be serious guys, a person's gender is not something to joke about and it can take years for them to find their true gender, and not whatever meaningless garbage the patriarchy assigned to them at birth. Let me repeat this, just because you have the biological and physical features of a male does not mean you are a male, and to imply such things would be very ignorant. While I think it is great to finally see websites and games introducing the "other" option for gender, it is a very small step in the right direction. I mean seriously, that would be like when selecting your country it just said "United States" and "Other", which is incredibly discriminatory to people who do not live in the US.

Take a look at the list of country's google supplies you when selecting your country...
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Now take a look at your gender options...
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Not only is this offensive because it just throws everyone who does not identify by the two options the patriarchy has created into one big category, but it shows that no one has really taken the time to take a stand for those who do not identify by the "normal" genders laid out by society.

What I am suggesting is that more REAL genders should be shoved down the throats of the public, to open their eyes and enlighten them to the beauty that is the human mind, and how it is not simply made up by two obscure genders.

I want you to imagine a list like the one I showed you for selecting your country, where you can scroll for hours, selecting things like demigirl, agender, pangender, aliagender, cismale, dfeb, genderfluid, genderplasma, gendergas, gendersolid, nuerotrois. This is just a short list of genders, and I am sorry if I didn't list yours, I meant not to discriminate.


What I am asking, is for all you cishet ****lords out there to pull your heads out of your collective asses and open your eyes to the oppression you are causing those like us. If you are not petitioning to make a change, or wouldn't kill someone to allow us otherkin more options when selecting our gender, you should seriously die.

Posted by Rozen S

what happened to just being a guy or a girl

Some "disfunctionals" (as labelled by the patriarchy) opened their eyes to the madness and oppression going on in our western societies.  

 

This is like Graal supporting the 2% of the world that's allergic to water.  

There isn't any oppression, anyone who identifies as anything you listed and more has no loss of rights on this game. The reason why it's not an option is because those who identify as such are an EXTREME minority. It's the same reason why I can't list that I'm from Antarctica in many of those dropdown lists, because people who are are an extreme minority. Regardless of whether or not it's added, it's not oppression by any means. I'm fine with people doing as they please (aside from those who identify as a tree or something ridiculous like that, sorry but if that's you then you're an idiot) but those who claim they're oppressed when they clearly aren't are the people that irk me. Now in many places of the world these people may very well be oppressed, but for the most part they are not in the west, and certainly not on a game server.