Posted by Distorted

Agreed 100%, that's a waste of some peoples times.

Then again... It's a ******* hat.

True, but its also a guild-changing milestone.

Posted by Seanster

Using hackers, or even being aware of someone using hacks while towering and not reporting him shouldn't be encouraged in any way. If the guild members would report the hackers, as they were 100% aware of it most of the times, they wouldn't get punished AT ALL. It doesn't matter how many hours the hackers helped gain, and nobody can know that, and doesn't matter how close to their goal they were, their hours should be reset, and it seems the most fair punishment to me.

You act like hacking is committing a class 3 felony. Hacking graal is so ****ing easy and I see hackers whenever I log on. It is sort of hard to avoid them especially at towers. Graal police should be actively patrolling towers and checking for hackers, they would get banned a lot easier that way.

You obviously do not realize how hard it can be to organize and upkeep a guild and its members and keep everyone following the rules.

I didn't say it should be encouraged, I said that the punishment should include warnings and temporary guild shutdowns- not deleting that many hours (spent poorly) of so many people lives.  

Posted by Kendama

True, but its also a guild-changing milestone.



You act like hacking is committing a class 3 felony. Hacking graal is so ****ing easy and I see hackers whenever I log on. It is sort of hard to avoid them especially at towers. Graal police should be actively patrolling towers and checking for hackers, they would get banned a lot easier that way.

You obviously do not realize how hard it can be to organize and upkeep a guild and its members and keep everyone following the rules.

I didn't say it should be encouraged, I said that the punishment should include warnings and temporary guild shutdowns- not deleting that many hours (spent poorly) of so many people lives.

I am not gonna argue with you about the punishment, you have every right to disagree about it, but the fact it's easy, and not a "class 3 felony", doesn't make the fact the guild let the hackers stay on tag, did not report them, possibly used them intentionally to gain hours. I basically have nothing else to say about that, so have a nice day.  

Posted by Kendama

True, but its also a guild-changing milestone.



You act like hacking is committing a class 3 felony. Hacking graal is so ****ing easy and I see hackers whenever I log on. It is sort of hard to avoid them especially at towers. Graal police should be actively patrolling towers and checking for hackers, they would get banned a lot easier that way.

You obviously do not realize how hard it can be to organize and upkeep a guild and its members and keep everyone following the rules.

I didn't say it should be encouraged, I said that the punishment should include warnings and temporary guild shutdowns- not deleting that many hours (spent poorly) of so many people lives.

They probably were warned because they have been using hackers for a while now.

They may have not have asked people to hack for them, but they definitely knew that members were hacking and they used that to their advantage.  

Posted by Common Sense

They probably were warned because they have been using hackers for a while now.

They may have not have asked people to hack for them, but they definitely knew that members were hacking and they used that to their advantage.

obviously- you just dont realize how extreme of a punishment it is to disregard everyones true hard work and time and delete all the guilds progress.

Its like a lawsuit. A company gets a lawsuit for violating something. The whole company doesn't get all their money taken, they just have to pay up the right amount to the violation they committed  

Posted by Kendama

Hacking graal is so ****ing easy

That doesn't mean you should do it...  

Hackers should be hunted down like in the beginning. Staff would run around with boots and nets and it was glorious.  

Posted by Distorted

That doesn't mean you should do it...

that doens't mean you doing it should devastate dozens of people for months of hard work they put in  

I don't think priorities are straight if the target is a guild with 999:30 with 1 player hacking "for fun" when cancerous players like Zax and Tidus are allowed to freely tower and abuse intentional lag and lagblocks without any lasting punishment.

Also, if this Smiliz guy was the reason these guilds were reset, why the hell was he at Sardon's last night? Was he not banned? ???  

Its just a hat. Get over it.  

Posted by Tyree

Its just a hat. Get over it.

And 1000 guild tower hours..  

If they had enough determination they could have just restarted and earn 1K legit without the help from hackers.  

Posted by Kendama

obviously- you just dont realize how extreme of a punishment it is to disregard everyones true hard work and time and delete all the guilds progress.

Its like a lawsuit. A company gets a lawsuit for violating something. The whole company doesn't get all their money taken, they just have to pay up the right amount to the violation they committed

Eventually a company will lose all of its money if they keep getting sued and keeping having to pay money.

Helios has been using hackers for a while now, I'm sure they've been warned and they probably thought they could do it for fun because they were only less than an hour away from 1k.  

Posted by Distorted

That doesn't mean you should do it...

Who cares?
99.99999999999999999999999999% of the world could care less about Graal.

It's entertaining to watch.

Posted by Tyree

Its just a hat. Get over it.

1000 hours.
41.6667 days at one tower, to get that.

Smartie.  

Posted by Common Sense

Eventually a company will lose all of its money if they keep getting sued and keeping having to pay money.

Helios has been using hackers for a while now, I'm sure they've been warned and they probably thought they could do it for fun because they were only less than an hour away from 1k.

lawsuits do not build up from every different instance into one giant suit. They address each violation separately and upon conviction  

This event of Helios being reset is working well, i saw a guild had castle and it said in the status "if anyone is hacking they will be banned from this guild." This has proved too graalians hacking is not accepted and its changing for towering for the good.