Posted by Imprint

You dont pay an extra five dollars to get insurance with free birth control. It costs the same.

It costs more to cover birth control, I don't think you understand how money works. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Nothing in life is truly free. It has to be paid for from somewhere  

Posted by Colin

I'm sorry but, why should an arts and crafts store have to buy birth control for their employees?

Birth control has no relevance to the business, therefore by buying it for their employees it would basically just be giving them free stuff.

Birth Control is considered health care. Companies should be required to give their employees health care, shouldn't they?  

Posted by Skill

It costs more to cover birth control, I don't think you understand how money works. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Nothing in life is truly free. It has to be paid for from somewhere

The cost is nominal when you are dealing with a large bundle of health care plans (which companies as like Hobby Lobby are managing). Under large groups the insurance is cheaper than purchasing at alone. Birth control falls under preventative medicine which insurance companies provide to reduce the risk factor (which is why they provide it with no co-pay).

Try reading this article since I assume I'm not explaining it clearly.  

Posted by MattKan

Birth Control is considered health care. Companies should be required to give their employees health care, shouldn't they?

Why should they?  

Posted by lord greg

Why should they?

Because that's how it works in America, sadly.  

Posted by Dusty

Because that's how it works in America, sadly.

Oh I see. So are wages lower to accommodate the health care?  

Posted by Skill

why not deal with the horrible wage inequality between men and women instead?

Wage gap isn't as big as you think. Think about things such as maternity leave and what not. Men are generally willing to take greater risk. Then you have to remember that they takes ALL wages across the board. This is including predominately male jobs like mining, lobster fishing, etc. You know, things with a 75% chance of death. Granted I know there is a difference in some pay, it's just no wheres near as big as some people think because of this.

Come at me


Hobby Lobby should be forced to adhere to the rules and regulations set by your federal government. Religion + religious beliefs have no place in areas of business, government or education. Hell, if they're allowed to get away with this, then what's stopping other business owners from forming their own religion, having it recognized as a religion and then stating that paying their employees anything over $4.00 an hour is against their beliefs because "no man or woman should be paid a salary greater than $4.00 an hour as it is considered blasphemy."  

So i did a quick research throughout the wiki world to find out what was so controversial. Obamacare states that companies have to provide certain contraception to their employees or face a fine. Hobby lobby claims the government cant force them to go against their religious belief. To what I understood is that they provide birth control pills, but refuse to pay for the after day pill and the after week pill which they consider a form of abortion. So the CONTROVERSY is more about religion than money IMO.

source in case anyone wants to read it
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/hobbylobby.asp  

It is based entirely on religious beliefs and not money, but Skill was asking about financial implications moreso than idealogical.

Posted by lord greg

Oh I see. So are wages lower to accommodate the health care?

It's more that health care costs are higher since it's a for profit business.  

Posted by Imprint

It is based entirely on religious beliefs and not money, but Skill was asking about financial implications moreso than idealogical.

I see, not familiar how medical benefits work, so Ill just watch the argument from the sidelines.  

If they can get away with their religious rights on the constitution, then I should too. Truth is, nearly every law could be broken by pulling the "religion" card, so that is why the US government has so much trouble dealing with cases like this.  

Religion my ass. The guys who own Hobby Lobby are probably some of the biggest crooks on the face of the planet.  

Aside from religious and sex-based discrimination against employees, it is also a way for companies like Hobby Lobby and Conestoga to undermine the controversial Affordable Care Act and get out of helping to pay for additional costs associated with contraceptives.

In other words, it's more money in their pockets in the long run.  

What Latte said was right. But, Flo is also correct in they only denied 4 of the (20?) birth controls. Many people are taking it as a sexist issue but its freedom of religion. If you dont like it dont wonk for them! Go work at Michael's instead.  

Ya, because people who work at Hobby Lobby have job offers overflowing their ****ing voicemail!