SEVERE lack of updates! - 8

Colin · 07-28-2014

Posted by -Albus

Dusty not only reads this stuff, he has even commented on this very thread, and he's one of the people that develops content for Classic.

Yeah but this thread is about the lack of updates, Dusty doesn't have the power to magically make things go faster and although he develops (which I already knew) it is still managements decision.

Fp* · 07-28-2014

Hold on a second, I thought i was talking about Reselling old hats?
Well what do you know, I log onto classic and whoa...

News updated.....
SMH reselling old hats

Kendama · 07-28-2014

This thread is too dramatic... the topic at hand just does not justify this amount of speculation.

Xenthic · 07-28-2014

Just wondering what hats are being resold? any white anbu masks?

Colin · 07-28-2014

Posted by Xenthic

Just wondering what hats are being resold? any white anbu masks?

No masks, the recent update was the halo and the horns.

Narcosis · 07-28-2014

Ok, I'm going to attempt to move this thread back on topic.

The last content update that wasn't just a few new hats (or re-selling of old hats) was June 13th.

That's just a factual statement. I'm not saying I don't like hats, or that I don't appreciate all the bug fixes and minor changes, because I do. But I don't remember it ever being this bad (in terms of lack of updates containing actual new content). Again, June 13th. When Revolution opened for the weekend. And keep in mind that was when Classic hit 200k likes on Facebook (which is a big milestone).

It is currently July 28th.

Thoughts?

Livid · 07-28-2014

They cld have done recolors or ask for hats from players, but no, as usual the classic admins don't "need" our thoughts placed down before they act, its like their asking for players to leave at this point. The halo cld ve introduced a new color, the winged headband could have been blue and the horns why not bend them a bit change their style.

Dino · 07-28-2014

whenever they do put something out some noobs have to say how bad it sucks

Rufus · 07-28-2014

>they

Fp* · 07-28-2014

Posted by Narcosis

Ok, I'm going to attempt to move this thread back on topic.

The last content update that wasn't just a few new hats (or re-selling of old hats) was June 13th.

That's just a factual statement. I'm not saying I don't like hats, or that I don't appreciate all the bug fixes and minor changes, because I do. But I don't remember it ever being this bad (in terms of lack of updates containing actual new content). Again, June 13th. When Revolution opened for the weekend. And keep in mind that was when Classic hit 200k likes on Facebook (which is a big milestone).

It is currently July 28th.

Thoughts?

There has been more:
Today (28th of July)4 old hats on sale AGAIN.
20 days ago (8th of July) not resold but Christmas hats added on sale.
29 days ago (1st of July) they resold 4th of july hats from last year (same as canada hats)

Narcosis · 07-28-2014

Posted by Fp*

There has been more:
Today (28th of July)4 old hats on sale AGAIN.
20 days ago (8th of July) not resold but Christmas hats added on sale.
29 days ago (1st of July) they resold 4th of july hats from last year (same as canada hats)

Posted by Narcosis

The last content update that wasn't just a few new hats (or re-selling of old hats) was June 13th.

Now just to be clear about something, I wasn't necessarily talking about major updates when I started this thread. I'm assuming there's things in the works, and, while they may be taking a little longer than I would prefer, it's been made very clear that these things take time, and I totally understand that.

I'm talking more about the amount of updates that Classic used to receive. Yes, there's been other times when it's been slow, but I don't ever remember it being this slow. To the point where even on holidays we're getting recycled content. The fact is there seems to have been a noticeable decline as of late. Again, I'm not placing blame, nor am I under-appreciating all the hard work that Dusty and co. have been doing lately. I just want to see Classic in line with where it once was, and where Era and Zone currently are.

I've already layed out multiple ideas, suggestions, thoughts, etc. I would love to continue seeing more productive discussion on how to make things better, and less arguing about trivial things or who knows more about coding and/or game development.

Colin · 07-28-2014

Posted by Narcosis

Now just to be clear about something, I wasn't necessarily talking about major updates when I started this thread. I'm assuming there's things in the works, and, while they may be taking a little longer than I would prefer, it's been made very clear that these things take time, and I totally understand that.

I'm talking more about the amount of updates that Classic used to receive. Yes, there's been other times when it's been slow, but I don't ever remember it being this slow. To the point where even on holidays we're getting recycled content. The fact is there seems to have been a noticeable decline as of late. Again, I'm not placing blame, nor am I under-appreciating all the hard work that Dusty and co. have been doing lately. I just want to see Classic in like with where it once was, and where Era and Zone currently are.

I've already layed out multiple ideas, suggestions, thoughts, etc. I would love to continue seeing more productive discussion on how to make things better, and less arguing about trivial things or who knows more about coding and/or game development.

I think a better approach for suggestions would be finding a way to contact them one on one instead of over the forums, that way you can discuss it better and not have to go through all the other suggestions other people make or the de-rails that happen.

Also, as Dusty said with the current systems some things can not be or would be hard to implement.

Fire Surge · 07-28-2014

Lol Colin, 3 years of highschool computer science courses mean nothing. Honestly, I never took classes at school yet I was always the one that everybody in the classes asked to help them.

Back to this thread, I think that there are a few problems with the lack of development, which I will state below.

1.) Trouble learning development. Gs2 is not documented as it should be. Most of the documentation you will find is player-made and not as organized as it would be for a language like python or C++. This is one big problem that limits new developers.

2.) Lack of input from management. Xor doesn't even have an account for this forums. If he does, I've never seen him post here in the nearly 3 years that I've had this account. Even though these are not the official, a lot of players use them, and I think it would be wise for higher-ups to come here for feedback. I've seen nothing even similar to this. Even MASSIVE games like runescape have moderators and staff browse the forums.

3.) Lack of a proper application system. There's really nothing formal in place for players to apply for development positions. Something that I think would be cool is a "development initiative". Maybe Dusty or some other staff members could spend an hour or two on the weekends and show other players the ropes of development. They can become staff themselves later on.

4.) Input from players. I cannot stress this enough. I don't mean for players to decide every update. Running a poll every few weeks would be really healthy for the game. Ask players if they would like to see more mounts, ganis, etc.

For big updates, players can maybe choose which they would like to see first, but not actually decide the updates themselves.

Example of a poll like this:
Which update would you like to see first, guild improvements or a new minigame?

GOAT · 07-28-2014

Posted by Colin

I think it's ironic when people who have never developed try to debate topics like this

Posted by dusty

Originally Posted by Dusty View Post
Sadly a lot of the development on Classic involves working within the systems of the server(and default client mechanics) and dealing with the many conflicts that can occur. Diving was a massive pain in the ass to get working correctly, for example. That's not even touching on how troublesome it becomes when the project is very large, and overlaps current live content. Despite the fact I had done the overworld portion of the railroads early on in the railroad content, I had to completely redo them again the week before the release because the levels on dev were so out of date by the time it was finished.

I am going to revive this simply because it says a lot about this topic,

Colin I consider you my homie so dont take this reply as an attack.

Debating actual development(how it works) and being a lack of development is two different things. Personally I think the quote that you used shows a good reason why this "debate" was good for the community.

People complain about lack of content, then staff complain about players complaining, so it just goes in circles.

Hopefully people have been reading this thread and now have a better understanding as to why content cant be produced as fast as they want. Lack of talent, roadblocks to working on classic, management not approving projects, dusty's quote and so on. For the most part I feel this thread has been productive with the exception of those 2 noobs that keep arguing.

deadowl · 07-28-2014

Posted by iHot

You're crying about a stupid drasine. You didn't even lose anything. In fact you got an EXCLUSIVE drasine in place of your old one! WHAT IS THERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT?!

It's not polite to troll. Let it go.

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Fp* Registered User Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Fight Club Posts: 226	Hold on a second, I thought i was talking about Reselling old hats? Well what do you know, I log onto classic and whoa... News updated..... SMH reselling old hats

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Kendama Delteria Manager Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 2,474	This thread is too dramatic... the topic at hand just does not justify this amount of speculation.

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Xenthic . Join Date: May 2012 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,071	Just wondering what hats are being resold? any white anbu masks?

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Narcosis I Amuse Myself Join Date: May 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 694	Ok, I'm going to attempt to move this thread back on topic. The last content update that wasn't just a few new hats (or re-selling of old hats) was June 13th. That's just a factual statement. I'm not saying I don't like hats, or that I don't appreciate all the bug fixes and minor changes, because I do. But I don't remember it ever being this bad (in terms of lack of updates containing actual new content). Again, June 13th. When Revolution opened for the weekend. And keep in mind that was when Classic hit 200k likes on Facebook (which is a big milestone). It is currently July 28th. Thoughts?

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Livid all for victory Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Townsville Posts: 4,222	They cld have done recolors or ask for hats from players, but no, as usual the classic admins don't "need" our thoughts placed down before they act, its like their asking for players to leave at this point. The halo cld ve introduced a new color, the winged headband could have been blue and the horns why not bend them a bit change their style.

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Dino Professional Dinosaur Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 474	whenever they do put something out some noobs have to say how bad it sucks

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Rufus Registered rufp4 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,378	>they

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Fire Surge Hi! Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: VY Canis Majoris Posts: 246	Lol Colin, 3 years of highschool computer science courses mean nothing. Honestly, I never took classes at school yet I was always the one that everybody in the classes asked to help them. Back to this thread, I think that there are a few problems with the lack of development, which I will state below. 1.) Trouble learning development. Gs2 is not documented as it should be. Most of the documentation you will find is player-made and not as organized as it would be for a language like python or C++. This is one big problem that limits new developers. 2.) Lack of input from management. Xor doesn't even have an account for this forums. If he does, I've never seen him post here in the nearly 3 years that I've had this account. Even though these are not the official, a lot of players use them, and I think it would be wise for higher-ups to come here for feedback. I've seen nothing even similar to this. Even MASSIVE games like runescape have moderators and staff browse the forums. 3.) Lack of a proper application system. There's really nothing formal in place for players to apply for development positions. Something that I think would be cool is a "development initiative". Maybe Dusty or some other staff members could spend an hour or two on the weekends and show other players the ropes of development. They can become staff themselves later on. 4.) Input from players. I cannot stress this enough. I don't mean for players to decide every update. Running a poll every few weeks would be really healthy for the game. Ask players if they would like to see more mounts, ganis, etc. For big updates, players can maybe choose which they would like to see first, but not actually decide the updates themselves. Example of a poll like this: Which update would you like to see first, guild improvements or a new minigame?