Posted by Yephenpeace

Cut off jailbroken players from playing? My ipod is jailbroken, and i'm pretty sure i don't steal peoples art... They wouldn't be able to anyway, the app has no way of seeing if you're using a jailbroken device. So if that's what your saying, that's not a valid solution at all.. Haha

Your ipod shouldnt even be jailbroken in the first place. If someone was capable of checking all the apps you downloaded illegal, you will be in deep ****. Thats pretty much saying that you have the cracked version of graal.  

Posted by Xertic

Your ipod shouldnt even be jailbroken in the first place. If someone was capable of checking all the apps you downloaded illegal, you will be in deep ****. Thats pretty much saying that you have the cracked version of graal.

I'm pretty sure you have no clue what jailbreaking is. First of all, i do not download my apps for free. Second of all, people pirate far more expensive things than apps and get away with it. Jailbreaking simply allows you to use third party apps that arnt approved by Apple, and may i also mention that jailbreaking is COMPLETELY LEGAL in Canada, and as far as i'm concerned, USA aswell. Before attempting to call someone out as a hardened criminal, learn your facts.  

I got these from http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-jailbreaking/
Apple also told regulators that the nation’s cellphone networks could suffer “potentially catastrophic” cyberattacks by iPhone-wielding hackers at home and abroad (.pdf) if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their shiny wireless devices.

Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris said Apple won’t change its policy that voids iPhone warranties if a phone has been jailbroken. “It can violate the warranty and cause the iPhone to become unstable and not work reliably,” she said.

Apple is pretty much implying that the dislike the use of jailbreaking an iDevice. I guess if you do not download copyrighted tender from installous, you are ok.

The jailbreaking exemption was part of a handful of exemptions announced Monday, including:

• allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers.
• allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws.
• allow college professors, film students, documentary filmmakers and producers of noncommercial videos to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism or commentary.
• allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced.
• allow blind people to break locks on electronic books so that they can use them with read-aloud software and similar aides.  

Posted by Xertic

I got these from http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-jailbreaking/
Apple also told regulators that the nation’s cellphone networks could suffer “potentially catastrophic” cyberattacks by iPhone-wielding hackers at home and abroad (.pdf) if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their shiny wireless devices.

Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris said Apple won’t change its policy that voids iPhone warranties if a phone has been jailbroken. “It can violate the warranty and cause the iPhone to become unstable and not work reliably,” she said.

Apple is pretty much implying that the dislike the use of jailbreaking an iDevice. I guess if you do not download copyrighted tender from installous, you are ok.

The jailbreaking exemption was part of a handful of exemptions announced Monday, including:

• allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers.
• allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws.
• allow college professors, film students, documentary filmmakers and producers of noncommercial videos to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism or commentary.
• allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced.
• allow blind people to break locks on electronic books so that they can use them with read-aloud software and similar aides.

Did You know you can restore your iPod/iPhone so it cannot be jailbroken through a previous backup you created by iTunes?  

Posted by Xertic

I got these from http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-jailbreaking/
Apple also told regulators that the nation’s cellphone networks could suffer “potentially catastrophic” cyberattacks by iPhone-wielding hackers at home and abroad (.pdf) if iPhone owners are permitted to legally jailbreak their shiny wireless devices.

Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris said Apple won’t change its policy that voids iPhone warranties if a phone has been jailbroken. “It can violate the warranty and cause the iPhone to become unstable and not work reliably,” she said.

Apple is pretty much implying that the dislike the use of jailbreaking an iDevice. I guess if you do not download copyrighted tender from installous, you are ok.

The jailbreaking exemption was part of a handful of exemptions announced Monday, including:

• allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers.
• allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws.
• allow college professors, film students, documentary filmmakers and producers of noncommercial videos to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism or commentary.
• allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced.
• allow blind people to break locks on electronic books so that they can use them with read-aloud software and similar aides.

And your motive behind posting this wall of text was...?
From what I've read it's not illegal to have a Jailbroken device where i live, i never said Apple endorses it. Regardless of if it's illegal or not it's none of your concern.  

Posted by Xertic

Your ipod shouldnt even be jailbroken in the first place. If someone was capable of checking all the apps you downloaded illegal, you will be in deep ****. Thats pretty much saying that you have the cracked version of graal.

Why not? And I don't think Apple's gonna spend thousands of dollars just to find out. Oh, and JBing in the US is legal. And besides, what's so bad about having the cracked version? It doesn't matter, it's just like the Free so no money loss there.
Mine's is jailboken because my dad is too much of a cheapfag to actually buy apps. In my first 200 hours, I had a cracked Era. Try playing Era Free for 200 hours, no AFK.  

Jailbreaking is allowed in Graal in some cases

1.iFile is allowed because players use it to find heads/bodies/shields through the directory system in the Graal Classic App.

2.These hacks you refer to are only clientside. Most people will not see these hacks as if it doesn't mess around with the serverside at all.

Example: Rename the Skeleton Dragon's image file to Dragon.PNG (or whatever the dragon's image file is). It will show you as a Skeleton Dragon but in the Serverside, everyone will see that you're the regular Dragon, meaning you're not the Skeleton Dragon at all really

Graal Classic cannot be used for trainers, actual hacks through another app, or fake purchases. Any one of those used through jailbreaking will perma-ban your IP and your account from one of the staffs.  

Posted by Xertic

Your ipod shouldnt even be jailbroken in the first place. If someone was capable of checking all the apps you downloaded illegal, you will be in deep ****. Thats pretty much saying that you have the cracked version of graal.

Jailbreaking is legal. There are just certain apps being illegal to use, just like these "Free-App-Downloaders". It´s up to the user if it will be used for illegal stuff or for legal stuff. Also having a cracked version of Graal doesn´t work anymore since about 1.5 years.  

Posted by DragonRiderSux

Why not? And I don't think Apple's gonna spend thousands of dollars just to find out. Oh, and JBing in the US is legal. And besides, what's so bad about having the cracked version? It doesn't matter, it's just like the Free so no money loss there.
Mine's is jailboken because my dad is too much of a cheapfag to actually buy apps. In my first 200 hours, I had a cracked Era. Try playing Era Free for 200 hours, no AFK.

They are losing more money by not finding out. You said you have the cracked version, isnt that illegal? You are technically stealing money......

Posted by Maikeru

Jailbreaking is allowed in Graal in some cases

1.iFile is allowed because players use it to find heads/bodies/shields through the directory system in the Graal Classic App.

2.These hacks you refer to are only clientside. Most people will not see these hacks as if it doesn't mess around with the serverside at all.

Example: Rename the Skeleton Dragon's image file to Dragon.PNG (or whatever the dragon's image file is). It will show you as a Skeleton Dragon but in the Serverside, everyone will see that you're the regular Dragon, meaning you're not the Skeleton Dragon at all really

Graal Classic cannot be used for trainers, actual hacks through another app, or fake purchases. Any one of those used through jailbreaking will perma-ban your IP and your account from one of the staffs.

I understand what you are stating, but im talking about stealing gfx. Having a jailbroken device is legal, until you use it illegally.
Illegal actions:
-Stealing apps
-Stealing movies
-Stealing music
-Stealing gfx (for graal)

If you have ifile to observe whats going on and not stealing anything you are perfectly fine. People just dont get a jailbroken device just to have winterboard and change their background. They mostl likely use it to get free stuff. From my view point, jailbreaking is an illegal action.

Ive asked a number of administrators if ifile is ilegal. They all said that it isnt, UNLESS you steal other peoples work. Most of the people using ifile take other people's heads, bodies, and shields. Thats what im trying to get to you. The dont just have ifile to say they have it, they use it illegally by stealing people's gfx!!!

Posted by callimuc

Jailbreaking is legal. There are just certain apps being illegal to use, just like these "Free-App-Downloaders". [It´s up to the user if it will be used for illegal stuff or for legal stuff.] Also having a cracked version of Graal doesn´t work anymore since about 1.5 years.

The [] is what im trying to point out. They just dont have ifile to say they have it, most of the users use it illegally. If you look at my previous post thats what im trying to point out.  

Posted by Xertic

I understand what you are stating, but im talking about stealing gfx. Having a jailbroken device is legal, until you use it illegally.
Illegal actions:
-Stealing apps
-Stealing movies
-Stealing music
-Stealing gfx (for graal)

If you have ifile to observe whats going on and not stealing anything you are perfectly fine. People just dont get a jailbroken device just to have winterboard and change their background. They mostl likely use it to get free stuff. From my view point, jailbreaking is an illegal action.

Ive asked a number of administrators if ifile is ilegal. They all said that it isnt, UNLESS you steal other peoples work. Most of the people using ifile take other people's heads, bodies, and shields. Thats what im trying to get to you. The dont just have ifile to say they have it, they use it illegally by stealing people's gfx!!!


The [] is what im trying to point out. They just dont have ifile to say they have it, most of the users use it illegally. If you look at my previous post thats what im trying to point out.

No.. Allow me to kindly explain:
You can't use it to steal property of GraalOnline Classic and put it in another game/donation/etc.

You are 100% allowed to use any head and body in GraalOnline Classic to your advantage... As long as you're using it to create your own head/body for the upload system.. Thats not considered illegal.. Its Graalonline Classic's property once you upload it and if they said you can use it and edit/recolor it to your own advantage for the head/body upload system, then you can use it!

You don't want to use it? Don't! Who is forcing you!?

How many times did every admin and half of the people here have to repeat it?  

Posted by Maikeru

No.. Allow me to kindly explain:
You can't use it to steal property of GraalOnline Classic and put it in another game/donation/etc.

You are 100% allowed to use any head and body in GraalOnline Classic to your advantage... As long as you're using it to create your own head/body for the upload system.. Thats not considered illegal.. Its Graalonline Classic's property once you upload it and if they said you can use it and edit/recolor it to your own advantage for the head/body upload system, then you can use it!

You don't want to use it? Don't! Who is forcing you!?

How many times did every admin and half of the people here have to repeat it?

I mostly play era, I have only 10 hrs on classic. I dont know if thats the same "rules" or not. I want to see it word for word, "if they said you can use it and edit/recolor it to your own advantage for the head/body upload system, then you can use it!" Ive never seen them say that at all. Is there a sign in Classic that states this?  

Posted by DragonRiderSux

Why not? And I don't think Apple's gonna spend thousands of dollars just to find out. Oh, and JBing in the US is legal. And besides, what's so bad about having the cracked version? It doesn't matter, it's just like the Free so no money loss there.
Mine's is jailboken because my dad is too much of a cheapfag to actually buy apps. In my first 200 hours, I had a cracked Era. Try playing Era Free for 200 hours, no AFK.

It depends, what does the cracked version allow you to do?  

Talking about whether jailbroken iDevices are right or not might be going a little off-topic here lol. My stance on stolen GFX's is that it 1) discourages original art and 2) makes people miss the bigger picture here; that if artists could have their own rights over their art, or even protection over their art, then the Graal income flow would expand.

For my first point, why the heck would I work on a head for a week if I know it's open on iFiles for stealing/re-coloring, and it'll be perfectly legal? It'd make more sense to grab the nearest head off of Soulslayer's website and recolor. So of course it's no surprise not many people are attempting at original art! There's no reason to.

My second point. Let's say that Graal decides to let artists keep their copyright of their head, or at least protects their art on iFiles in some way. I'm not saying either are possible, but work with me. Not everyone's going to throw glitter and suddenly do their own art, but there will be more reason to try doing things from scratch. With the environment like this, over a few months more and more art will be from scratch, because original art grabs more attention than recolors any day. Suddenly, people will want these heads/bodies that they can't achieve through iFiles. So what do they have to do? Make it themselves, or hire somebody to do it. People might feel generous and release their from-scratch heads/bodies for recolors. More templates for recolored heads/bodies = more room for imagination = more uploads.

This leaves Graal with more templates, more original artists, more people interested in personal heads/bodies, more uploads. This is the bigger picture I'm trying to prove.  

Posted by Mij

Talking about whether jailbroken iDevices are right or not might be going a little off-topic here lol. My stance on stolen GFX's is that it 1) discourages original art and 2) makes people miss the bigger picture here; that if artists could have their own rights over their art, or even protection over their art, then the Graal income flow would expand.

For my first point, why the heck would I work on a head for a week if I know it's open on iFiles for stealing/re-coloring, and it'll be perfectly legal? It'd make more sense to grab the nearest head off of Soulslayer's website and recolor. So of course it's no surprise not many people are attempting at original art! There's no reason to.

My second point. Let's say that Graal decides to let artists keep their copyright of their head, or at least protects their art on iFiles in some way. I'm not saying either are possible, but work with me. Not everyone's going to throw glitter and suddenly do their own art, but there will be more reason to try doing things from scratch. With the environment like this, over a few months more and more art will be from scratch, because original art grabs more attention than recolors any day. Suddenly, people will want these heads/bodies that they can't achieve through iFiles. So what do they have to do? Make it themselves, or hire somebody to do it. People might feel generous and release their from-scratch heads/bodies for recolors. More templates for recolored heads/bodies = more room for imagination = more uploads.

This leaves Graal with more templates, more original artists, more people interested in personal heads/bodies, more uploads. This is the bigger picture I'm trying to prove.

:0 Amen.....  

Posted by Mij

Talking about whether jailbroken iDevices are right or not might be going a little off-topic here lol. My stance on stolen GFX's is that it 1) discourages original art and 2) makes people miss the bigger picture here; that if artists could have their own rights over their art, or even protection over their art, then the Graal income flow would expand.

For my first point, why the heck would I work on a head for a week if I know it's open on iFiles for stealing/re-coloring, and it'll be perfectly legal? It'd make more sense to grab the nearest head off of Soulslayer's website and recolor. So of course it's no surprise not many people are attempting at original art! There's no reason to.

My second point. Let's say that Graal decides to let artists keep their copyright of their head, or at least protects their art on iFiles in some way. I'm not saying either are possible, but work with me. Not everyone's going to throw glitter and suddenly do their own art, but there will be more reason to try doing things from scratch. With the environment like this, over a few months more and more art will be from scratch, because original art grabs more attention than recolors any day. Suddenly, people will want these heads/bodies that they can't achieve through iFiles. So what do they have to do? Make it themselves, or hire somebody to do it. People might feel generous and release their from-scratch heads/bodies for recolors. More templates for recolored heads/bodies = more room for imagination = more uploads.

This leaves Graal with more templates, more original artists, more people interested in personal heads/bodies, more uploads. This is the bigger picture I'm trying to prove.

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