Posted by PumaD

Uhm you know there can be a difference about lag and FPS aswell..

Let me give your stubborn mind some example, try to go off tab until you spar and you'll see, point proven.

Frame drop is on your end, and depending on what causes the drop, it may or may not affect internet connectivity. Is tabbing away from Graal supposed to affect framerate or something? I've never actually experienced any issues at all, except if I walk by Burger Refuge. I thought most people do tab away when they wait to spar, I do it pretty much every time.

Although, the Facebook client itself can be slow depending on what else is happening on your computer. Perhaps that may be part of you experience. Similarly, I know my Graal v6 client drops frames when I have my email program open, and I assume that's because when the program is open, it constantly checks for more new mail. So I can't play Graal and check my email at the same time.  

Thallen you must series Dante and kick his @ss!!

Posted by PumaD

What I am trying to say is that you don't need a high latency to delay, which you obviously don't get it at all.

Right, you do not need a high latency to delay, yet everyone in this game has a bit of delay. That's game company's fault providing international access to the game. You can't blame one or another for their delay.  

@Shannon:
If it's a programm for e-Mails then ya, it constantly refreshes itself. But I don't know if it's effecting Graals client that much, however I just dislike v6. But what I mean with the off tab (I wasn't really certain atthat post) if you have to wait like minutes until you spar, without checking every minute if you spar or not, you'll be all skippy and may have a huge delay without any change of your latency, no matter if it's a rather high or low number.

@Meganey:
That's what I am trying to say the whole time. You don't need to have an oddly high connection to have a delay. But I doubt anyone here in this thread had said something about laggers as in complaints. And providing international access to a game is never a fail or a bad idea, they could split the game into a North-American and Europe/Asian server but it would take the playercount of a server down (since you'd have two playerbases now).

It's as easy as this, if there are laggers or delayers you either spar them without raging or you just don't spar at all since you can't check someones latency.  

Posted by Thallen

[*]Comyt - Consensus "best iDevice sparrer" and reminds me of myself when I was 15 or 16

You still think this Enguard Tard?

Btw Rezon noone notices your posts go back to kissing Thallen's wrinkly ass instead of posting lame jokes lol.

Another point - How often do you see delayers with bad spar scores? Man I can't think of any haha. Honestly, you guys who think delay is equal for both sides are true idiots lol. I don't feel like having the same argument with some loser who's played Graal for his whole life.
I mean not once have I said if you delay quit graal forever and never spar again. I know people can't control it usually, I'm just pointing out the obvious that delay is an advantage. My ms isn't the same as a delayers so how can you even say it's the same for both sides? Yall are stupid lol.  

you act like it was ever argued or denied that I've said that in the past
he could probably still be the best iDevice if he manned up and stopped making excuses, but right now I think it's anyone between Junior, Vlad, or Blood
he also vouched that I was the best PC in a similar thread, so I'm not even seeing the point in posting that
this thread isn't about who is good and who isn't, you're so confused

Posted by twilit

I think what he's say is that certain clients can "blink" a lot longer than others.

incorrect
the truth is that you have no idea how blink works and how to use it to your advantage
just being honest, it's not by the grace of some higher power that people can blink longer than you

Posted by GotenGraal

My ms isn't the same as a delayers so how can you even say it's the same for both sides?

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Posted by Thallen

you act like it was ever argued or denied that I've said that in the past
he could probably still be the best iDevice if he manned up and stopped making excuses, but right now I think it's anyone between Junior, Vlad, or Blood
he also vouched that I was the best PC in a similar thread, so I'm not even seeing the point in posting that
this thread isn't about who is good and who isn't, you're so confused


incorrect
the truth is that you just haven't figured out how to use blink for some reason
can you really not take 5 minutes out of your day to figure it out instead of making these claims


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Man i'll give you a break, I think we'd all be f***ed up if we played Graal as much as you lol.  

yeah man, whatever you've got to say to cover up how outrageously stupid that last question was

Posted by GotenGraal

My ms isn't the same as a delayers so how can you even say it's the same for both sides?

just gonna quote it again so my fellow great sparrers like David and Shannon can witness your inability to understand a game as simple as Graal

you've proven you have no clue how delay, blink, or practically any mechanic or element of sparring works
complaining about things you don't even understand
just leave this thread you scrub

"OMG, these guys have such an advantage because they know more about sparring than me"
it's not rocket science, you're just really stupid
not even an insult, being genuine  

Man i'll give you a break, I think we'd all be f***ed up if we played Graal as much as you lol.  

Posted by Thallen

I feel like every spar thread on these forums consist of me telling people to just quit caring too much (it's okay to care) about their statistics and reputation and enjoy sparring (because it's the community itself that "kills" sparring) and/or educating people on the mechanics of sparring, but it's like you guys refuse to listen and never learn
instead you get butthurt and tell me that I'm old, call me cocky (???), and bring up tidbits about my personal life as if it has any relevance to the conversation or affects me in any way (some kid earlier hinted that my last name is Snyder, OH GOD)

have fun losing, crying, and making excuses

 

Ahh why is this enguard tard acting so tough like he won or something lol. Man, I don't got 10 years to waste to kiss ass and try to be the best on a game that doesn't matter!  

Posted by PumaD

@Shannon:
If it's a programm for e-Mails then ya, it constantly refreshes itself. But I don't know if it's effecting Graals client that much, however I just dislike v6. But what I mean with the off tab (I wasn't really certain atthat post) if you have to wait like minutes until you spar, without checking every minute if you spar or not, you'll be all skippy and may have a huge delay without any change of your latency, no matter if it's a rather high or low number.

v6 runs oddly, but that wasn't my point. I do understand what you mean, but still I can't get my Facebook client to skip like yours does. I've seen it happen on other games I've played, but if Graal does skip for me when I tab back to the page, it lasts for a fraction of a second. If that is what you were referring to, I can't see that having an impact on competitive play. I can definitely see it affecting certain people on, for example, older computers.

Honestly, Thallen is right about the way blink and latency work, and those are things you can't argue because there is only one correct answer. Everything else discussed was a matter of opinion, and while some people chose to takes sides, everyone has the right to express their thoughts. Factual things, such as "delay is a product of latency" and "blink always behaves the same, every time" cannot be debated. If you don't understand it, you won't believe it. Then you guys started talking about how people who delay have an advantage... Honestly, that's all in your head. Just spar a bit smarter. It takes me like 6 seconds or less of trial and error to determine someone's delay in a spar, and if you know how to defend yourself well, you can pretty easily take advantage of it as if it were a handicap. I promise, just think of it a bit differently.

Again, back to the topic of the thread. IMO, sparring is nowhere near dead. I mean, just look at the huge discussion the a spar thread created! Every spar thread is hugely popular, to be honest. The sparrers just happen to be the players who aren't online 24/7 (not accusing anyone, making an exaggeration.)  

Posted by Thallen

incorrect
the truth is that you have no idea how blink works and how to use it to your advantage
just being honest, it's not by the grace of some higher power that people can blink longer than you

I know that not using sword maximizes "blink time," thank you. I'm saying I can still get hit quicker than someone else who is also blink sparring. People with old devices have horrid FPS, and people on PC who other things open that can slow FPS (such as an auto-refreshing email page as someone pointed out).

You never cease to climb on top of people to correct a misuse / misunderstanding of the word 'lag,' but you ignore non-lag effects such as FPS, client-side hit detection, etc.  

Posted by Winter

v6 runs oddly, but that wasn't my point. I do understand what you mean, but still I can't get my Facebook client to skip like yours does. I've seen it happen on other games I've played, but if Graal does skip for me when I tab back to the page, it lasts for a fraction of a second. If that is what you were referring to, I can't see that having an impact on competitive play. I can definitely see it affecting certain people on, for example, older computers.

Honestly, Thallen is right about the way blink and latency work, and those are things you can't argue because there is only one correct answer. Everything else discussed was a matter of opinion, and while some people chose to takes sides, everyone has the right to express their thoughts. Factual things, such as "delay is a product of latency" and "blink always behaves the same, every time" cannot be debated. If you don't understand it, you won't believe it. Then you guys started talking about how people who delay have an advantage... Honestly, that's all in your head. Just spar a bit smarter. It takes me like 6 seconds or less of trial and error to determine someone's delay in a spar, and if you know how to defend yourself well, you can pretty easily take advantage of it as if it were a handicap. I promise, just think of it a bit differently.

Again, back to the topic of the thread. IMO, sparring is nowhere near dead. I mean, just look at the huge discussion the a spar thread created! Every spar thread is hugely popular, to be honest. The sparrers just happen to be the players who aren't online 24/7 (not accusing anyone, making an exaggeration.)

Nope @ middle paragraph lol  

The mistake of this thread was making the boring topic about sparring  

Invincibility after being hit, besides being based on gameplay mechanics like using your sword, is indeed effected by framerate. Why? Because hit detection is clientside-based, and determined by what is happening on your screen. Instead of swinging your sword and hitting a player, then communicating with the server and telling it(and your victim) that you hit a player, it works the other way around. Your client is constantly looking around your player, and if it sees another player using their sword in a certain range, it registers you as being hit by them. This causes the whole "blink delay" issue because if you have a horrid framerate, your client is literally running slower than the other players. This means after you're hit, normally the client would ignore the hit detection for say... A second. But aince your client is runnig slower, that second of invincibility can turn into three seconds. This is why chat blocking is a thing, because the keyboard on the iOS dramatically decreases the framerate of Graal. Could be worse, PC graal lets you do certain things that completely freeze your client, making you invincible until you disable it. Like a convenient, in-game lag switch... Woo.

Sorry for the massive wall, on my iPad so typing is a pain.