Posted by Thallen

Moving right along, as of right now both leaderboards (iDevice and Facebook) make it painfully obvious who the best on each side is.

"Points come and go, what stays is the record" -TTB.  

I'm fine with someone judging me based on my points or my ratio so I really won't argue with that. The leaderboards are still a much better measure for who is currently sparring the best.  

PC Leaderboards:
#1 Dante
#2 You
#3 You
#4 Me
Points are connected with a lot of luck I think, sometimes if I spar someone having 50 points less than me, I recieve 25 if I win, and if I lose the spar, I lose up to 100 points. But then, if I spar someone with a negative ratio and a score below 6000 points, I somehow recieve 30 points. x-x  

Posted by Prynce

PC Leaderboards:
#1 Dante
#2 You
#3 You
#4 Me
Points are connected with a lot of luck I think, sometimes if I spar someone having 50 points less than me, I recieve 25 if I win, and if I lose the spar, I lose up to 100 points. But then, if I spar someone with a negative ratio and a score below 6000 points, I somehow recieve 30 points. x-x

its called an elo system, look it up. working as intended.  

Posted by Rezon

its called an elo system, look it up. working as intended.

Graal actually uses Glicko.  

My top 10 sparrers in no order:
-Comyt
-Rashard(should be clear why)
-Thallen
-Mr.Magnetic(If you ever sparred against him you will understand that)
-Diz, even though he did not sparred for a while
-Talbourn
-White Mamba
-Shan, but he complains more than he actually spars
-Kevin91
-Tyler but also same thing as Diz ^^  

I would like to see some of these pcrs mentioned on these post come spar with iDevices to see how good they really are  

Posted by GOAT

I would like to see some of these pcrs mentioned on these post come spar with iDevices to see how good they really are

I would like to see some of the iDevices mentioned in this post come spar on PCs and see how good they really are?  

Posted by Prynce

"Points come and go, what stays is the record" -TTB.

That's true but sometimes the record can deceive you.  

Posted by Thallen

I would like to see some of the iDevices mentioned in this post come spar on PCs and see how good they really are?

Sounds like a challenge to me
Since ur a pc r coming to the iphone server and to the iphone forum i dont really think us idevicers have anything to prove. BUT
lucky for you i feel better when i can back up the crap i talk. So you let me know when we can meet up on pc classic and have a best of 5 or 7 series and after we do pc we do idevice  

Posted by Winter

Graal actually uses Glicko.

Beat me to it.  

Posted by GOAT

I would like to see some of these pcrs mentioned on these post come spar with iDevices to see how good they really are

^^^  

Posted by GOAT

Sounds like a challenge to me
Since ur a pc r coming to the iphone server and to the iphone forum i dont really think us idevicers have anything to prove. BUT
lucky for you i feel better when i can back up the crap i talk. So you let me know when we can meet up on pc classic and have a best of 5 or 7 series and after we do pc we do idevice

I don't even think you understand your own argument.

There are 2 reasons why an iDevice sparrer would refuse to spar on PC:

1. They prefer to spar on iDevice (which I can only attribute to being because they feel that they spar better on their iDevice).
2. They do not have a PC.

Now try and explain to me:

1. Why should any PC player bend to your whim and spar on the device that you clearly prefer and are advantaged by?
2. Why is it my fault that you don't have a PC?

The argument of "Only the real sparrers uses iDevice because it requires more skill!" translates to nothing to me. What makes you think that? Why does it require more skill?

Are you under the impression that the ability to move with more precision (which is arguable as I've seen several people able to use touchscreen more effectively than a keyboard) and strafe somehow removes any portion of skill required to win a spar? That sounds completely backwards to me. More variables and elements of gameplay always contribute to a higher skill cap.

You can't say, "PC players should all switch to iDevice because PC is clearly the more advantaged platform." How does that even make sense? You're claiming that the platform that is generally considered to be the worse of the two, in terms of effectiveness in spar, should be the gold standard? That's like suggesting that a football player should play in dress shoes instead of cleats and then insisting that, because it feels more uncomfortable and difficult, that it somehow requires more skill. That's not how it goes.
You are the ones with the complaint and claims of being disadvantaged, so if you want to fix the problem then you will be the one to switch platforms.

You can get butthurt over it or you can accept it, but there are facts you must consider and accept:

• Graal comes from a standalone PC client. Sparring was a concept designed around use of the keyboard.
• The majority of PC sparrers are better than you because they come from years of experience on that Graal.
• Just because someone spars on a PC does not give them some unrivaled edge over you.
• If PC players are so inherently good, then common sense would say to play Graal from your PC if you're interested in winning more.

So in conclusion, every time you use an excuse that relates to a player using a certain device and only being better than you for that reason, you're making a joke out of yourself. If anything, you should feel blessed that more PC players haven't grabbed a bluetooth keyboard for their iDevice and come to wreck you in the iDevice room.

With that out of the way, I'm 100% sure I'd 7-0 you in a series. For the sake of the argument, we'll say you 7-0 me on iDevice. Okay. What was proven? What's left? Me on PC, you on iDevice? You on iDevice, me on PC? At the end of the day, both of us have the choice to play on whatever device we want. You would choose iDevice and I would choose PC, and I'd consistently beat you. That sounds like your problem, not mine. You clearly have the option of "leveling the playing field" and you refuse to, so stop complaining.  

Or maybe using a PC is cheating in a way that you can move differently and is faster?

There is other reasons why iDevice sparrer's would refuse to spar on PC, because its simply fair.

PC's are so easy to hack in which makes it more unfair, how do we know if someone is speedhacking? sure they have systems but is it really that good? I've checked and their systems can't track until it gets to a certain speed.

iGraal comes from the app store. Sparring was a concept designed around to use a touchscreen. iClassic and normal Classic are two different games.

PC is unfair since the majority uses an iDevice. PC DO have an edge  

Posted by Ash Ketchum

Or maybe using a PC is cheating in a way that you can move differently and is faster?

There is other reasons why iDevice sparrer's would refuse to spar on PC, because its simply fair.

PC's are so easy to hack in which makes it more unfair, how do we know if someone is speedhacking? sure they have systems but is it really that good? I've checked and their systems can't track until it gets to a certain speed.

PC is not inherently "faster" and if you think that then I encourage you to ask someone like fp4 or Skyld about how movement works in the Graal client. Neither client can exceed a certain cap in tiles per second. It's easier to argue that an iDevice user would be smoother and faster (and I say faster in terms of having less client lag and thus being able to consistently move at the TPS cap) because browsers are huge resource hogs.

In your hacking example, I'm not following. Can you name a few PC players who were recently banned for hacking? I can't, but I can name probably a half-dozen iDevice players who are currently banned for modifying the client in some way. Both devices support a huge number of tools that can help you cheat. Not to mention, there is currently no controversy or even accusation of people hacking in the sparring community on iClassic. It's a moot point.

Posted by Ash Ketchum

iGraal comes from the app store. Sparring was a concept designed around to use a touchscreen. iClassic and normal Classic are two different games.

Really? Would you care to cite the major differences in the sparring mechanics from PC Graal to iClassic? (No, because you never played PC Graal.) Here are the two I can think of:

• Blink is handled differently (and I won't elaborate).
• On iClassic, a hit is registered only during the first frame of the sword animation.

Neither example seem to cater to touchscreen as a peripheral.

Posted by Ash Ketchum

PC is unfair since the majority uses an iDevice. PC DO have an edge

See:

Posted by Thallen

You can't say, "PC players should all switch to iDevice because PC is clearly the more advantaged platform." How does that even make sense? You're claiming that the platform that is generally considered to be the worse of the two, in terms of effectiveness in spar, should be the gold standard? That's like suggesting that a football player should play in dress shoes instead of cleats and then insisting that, because it feels more uncomfortable and difficult, that it somehow requires more skill. That's not how it goes.
You are the ones with the complaint and claims of being disadvantaged, so if you want to fix the problem then you will be the one to switch platforms.