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twilit 05-17-2012 02:57 AM

Opinion on Classic staff members?...
 
*gulp* ok here we go... I hope im allowed to do this...

My personal opinions for Classic staff members:
-Management (xor, stefan, etc): i really do think xor does an ok job managing his server. Its a tough job. Way too many people say bad things about admins when they dont know anything. However, i am displeased when i once heard that the only time the server is updated is when gralat pack sales are down (per LiA)... Hmm
-Development and leveling teams: Azrael and fp4 are amazing. Nuf said? Nuf said.
-Graphics team: Things were going really good... But then half of the graphics team, including trigger, quit/fired/disappeared? Explain plz?
-Graal Police: Theyre split half n half. Half do their job and answer questions n stuff. Other half dont do their job, dont answer pms, and/or are completely inactive. (DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE ONES WHO SPENT THEIR TIME MAKING ADMIN TOWER GUILDS INSTEAD OF THEIR JOB)

Ok:) ur turn now! PLZ DONT SAY STUFF LIKE "ADMINS SUCK" I ONLY WANT MATURE OPINIONS WITH SOLID REASONS

Ace 05-17-2012 03:04 AM

ADMINS SUCK.
no...My feeling on the classic server is that it's dead. Not fun anymore.
Solution:era

Tyler 05-17-2012 03:05 AM

They're losing a lot of their good staff members and hiring new unqualified one's. They need to start considering hiring scripters with pay that can help out the server. The game has been going downhill lately. Many people are complaining about the lack of content on the game. If they want to make more money and get the players to stay they should really listen to what the players want. Quests, games, trade system, lowered prices, etc. This is just my opinion on what's going on right now.

Higbey 05-17-2012 03:14 AM

Really you can't go and say staff, they are all different you can't join them all as one group. If you are saying your opinion of a certain staff member that's okay, but don't just claim that are all the same because they have the same ranking.

Also while XOR is manager it's Stefan in charge of all the stuff, he makes a lot of the major choices, while XOR does have a freedom (within reason) with the server. Once again, don't group them together.

Quote:

Posted by Tyler
They're losing a lot of their good staff members and hiring new unqualified one's. They need to start considering hiring scripters with pay that can help out the server. The game has been going downhill lately. Many people are complaining about the lack of content on the game. If they want to make more money and get the players to stay they should really listen to what the players want. Quests, games, trade system, lowered prices, etc. This is just my opinion on what's going on right now.

Stefan and Unixmad are the only ones that get paid. The staff can be paid in gelats, so they dont have to buy gold, so their only pay is not having to pay Stefan. This and the fact graal uses its own script and the fact scripting is a lot harder than gfx and latting means that finding good scripters willing to work on iPhone classic is hard.

DragonRider 05-17-2012 03:14 AM

xor needs his bread
his golden bread with caviar inside
not to mention his house needs to be golden with a swimming pool with money

Higbey 05-17-2012 03:15 AM

Quote:

Posted by DragonRider
xor needs his bread
his golden bread with caviar inside
not to mention his house needs to be golden with a swimming pool with money

You are getting XOR and Unixmad mixed up. Unixmad and stefan are the only ones profiting off it.

Tyler 05-17-2012 03:18 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 117557)
Really you can't go and say staff, they are all different you can't join them all as one group. If you are saying your opinion of a certain staff member that's okay, but don't just claim that are all the same because they have the same ranking.

Also while XOR is manager it's Stefan in charge of all the stuff, he makes a lot of the major choices, while XOR does have a freedom (within reason) with the server. Once again, don't group them together.

I know the whole staff isn't at fault for what's going on. I'm addressing the certain staff mainly the management and hiring part. However, every staff member can play a role in making changes to Graal. If they talk to Xor about a lot of these suggestions/issues it could increase the need for them to get sorted out.

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 117557)
Stefan and Unixmad are the only ones that get paid. The staff can be paid in gelats, so they dont have to buy gold, so their only pay is not having to pay Stefan. This and the fact graal uses its own script and the fact scripting is a lot harder than gfx and latting means that finding good scripters willing to work on iPhone classic is hard.

I'm actually wondering if it's even legal to pay staff in gelats and not real money.

DragonRider 05-17-2012 03:22 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 117559)
You are getting XOR and Unixmad mixed up. Unixmad and stefan are the only ones profiting off it.

thats the joke

Higbey 05-17-2012 03:22 AM

It's legal... Why wouldn't it be? Stefan probably could have gotten away with not even giving gelats, all staff are volunteers. Now you see why it takes so long

Tyler 05-17-2012 03:27 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 117566)
It's legal... Why wouldn't it be? Stefan probably could have gotten away with not even giving gelats, all staff are volunteers. Now you see why it takes so long

Gelats isn't real money and if you're working for a company that is out to make money employees should be paid. There is a difference in volunteering for a elderly home and volunteering for an online gaming company that is out to make money.

Bin 05-17-2012 03:35 AM

GP's? Corrupt and not helpful. I'm sure they turn a lot of players off from liking this game.

As for the development team: adding new hats doesn't improve game play. This server is a joke compared to what PC Classic used to be.

twilit 05-17-2012 03:36 AM

Quote:

Posted by Ace (Post 117551)
no...My feeling on the classic server is that it's dead. Not fun anymore.
Solution:era

Ok ya... I hate to say it, but classic is going downhill. :/ yes Era is sorta "better" (note: i dont play era, nor will i ever), but classic will remain the dominent server. All the good things in era really need to be integrated into classic... Development team really does do a great job, but there needs to be new ideas. Ideas that will keep players interested (like i think the daily 75 Pyrat eyepatches for 1000 gralats is good idea) for more than one week (*cough* CTF... Archery... Ya those didnt last long...)

Tyler 05-17-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Posted by Bin (Post 117571)
GP's? Corrupt and not helpful. I'm sure they turn a lot of players off from liking this game.

There are some helpful GP's out there. I'm not a fan of the new one's that were hired because they seem very inactive and lacking maturity.

Quote:

Posted by twilit (Post 117572)
Ok ya... I hate to say it, but classic is going downhill. :/ yes Era is sorta "better" (note: i dont play era, nor will i ever), but classic will remain the dominent server. All the good things in era really need to be integrated into classic... Development team really does do a great job, but there needs to be new ideas. Ideas that will keep players interested (like i think the daily 75 Pyrat eyepatches for 1000 gralats is good idea) for more than one week (*cough* CTF... Archery... Ya those didnt last long...)

I don't see why iClassic can't get help from iEra. They seem to be managing things well over there. I hear they update a lot and have events and fun activities.

MrSimons 05-17-2012 04:06 AM

I have no opinion on Xor or any "high up" staff because I've never said a word tony of them and the most I know about Xor is WALMART DAN's bias that he is a wonderful, caring, and understanding person... But I do know that certain Staff like Midori, Julius, Rufus, and FP4 do deserve a round of applause. Midori and Julius seem to be great Graal Police as they are yet to be the only staff to take the time to answer a question, or even respond to my feedback. And FP4 and Rufus seem to contribute quite a lot to this game, other than that I don't know much about the staff.

Ace 05-17-2012 04:18 AM

Quote:

Posted by Higbey (Post 117566)
It's legal... Why wouldn't it be? Stefan probably could have gotten away with not even giving gelats, all staff are volunteers. Now you see why it takes so long

Stefan deserves what he's obtaining now. He's an excellent coder

Gambit Drakul 05-17-2012 05:15 AM

They're all horrible.

Aciid Ph3wl 05-17-2012 05:43 AM

Quote:

Posted by Gambit Drakul (Post 117616)
They're all horrible.

Enough said.

Skill 05-17-2012 06:19 AM

The server is not only updated when sales are down. The content is made by volunteers who do it for free, so its added whenever people feel like making content.

Maxy 05-17-2012 06:26 AM

julius and yephenpeace are awesome, they always do their jobs, never turn friends only on and really nice people. yes some admins are terrible but some are helpful and actually make a difference to the server

Ryan 05-17-2012 07:41 AM

Trigger got a job or something in real life and never had time for graal. I wouldnt say quit but yeah

Fellage 05-17-2012 07:51 AM

Fairly low considering I still haven't had an account transfer after like 2 months of emailing them...

David K? 05-17-2012 07:54 AM

Quote:

Posted by Tyler (Post 117569)
Gelats isn't real money and if you're working for a company that is out to make money employees should be paid. There is a difference in volunteering for a elderly home and volunteering for an online gaming company that is out to make money.

Not really, the word volunteer is consistent.
They aren't employees, they are volunteers...
Since they ARE getting Galats, they are employees.
Fake money or not, Galats are worth real currency if they can be paid for by real currency...

GotenGraal 05-17-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Posted by twilit (Post 117572)
Ok ya... I hate to say it, but classic is going downhill. :/ yes Era is sorta "better" (note: i dont play era, nor will i ever), but classic will remain the dominent server. All the good things in era really need to be integrated into classic... Development team really does do a great job, but there needs to be new ideas. Ideas that will keep players interested (like i think the daily 75 Pyrat eyepatches for 1000 gralats is good idea) for more than one week (*cough* CTF... Archery... Ya those didnt last long...)

Lol Era will Pass Classic fool. Era had 300 classic would have like 1800 now classics like 1200-1300 and era is almost right there too lol. Era will eventually pass classic do to way better content. Plus almost all admins on era do there job good.

Maikeru 05-17-2012 11:24 AM

Quote:

Posted by GotenGraal (Post 117677)
Lol Era will Pass Classic fool. Era had 300 classic would have like 1800 now classics like 1200-1300 and era is almost right there too lol. Era will eventually pass classic do to way better content. Plus almost all admins on era do there job good.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4747/roflbotmm.jpg

callimuc 05-17-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Posted by twilit (Post 117546)
random crap

You should really list all staff members (at least all non-GPs). Just like BurgerBatman. He doess an awesome job aswell and you didn't even mention a word about him.

Pazx 05-17-2012 12:20 PM

Solution: make scripting/LATing tutorials here on the forums for those who already have some basic knowledge of the scripts and have an interest in those positions. I'm sure the graalians.com forum would produce incredibly amounts of user-submitted content, most of it would be pretty awful at first, that's a given, but with time I'm sure some gems would appear and the game would be better off in the long run.

Quote:

Posted by callimuc (Post 117709)
You should really list all staff members (at least all non-GPs). Just like BurgerBatman. He doess an awesome job aswell and you didn't even mention a word about him.

Nobody knows every single staff member.

Maikeru 05-17-2012 12:23 PM

Quote:

Posted by Pazx (Post 117711)
Nobody knows every single staff member.

And Therefore, the graal gods invented the staff contact sign:
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/2...forareason.png

Pazx 05-17-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Posted by Maikeru (Post 117716)

So OP was meant to go look at that, and write something about every single staff member listed, even the ones he has never heard of before?

callimuc 05-17-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Posted by Pazx (Post 117711)
Nobody knows every single staff member.

But everyone knows staff members which are around for a long time and which made some awesome stuff. And I'm sure that twilit is around iClassic for more than just 1 month.

Tyler 05-17-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Posted by David K? (Post 117641)
Not really, the word volunteer is consistent.
They aren't employees, they are volunteers...
Since they ARE getting Galats, they are employees.
Fake money or not, Galats are worth real currency if they can be paid for by real currency...

If you send in an application, do an interview, and get hired how is that volunteering? You are now employed under the company. I've never heard of a company paying staff in virtual unreal currency.

RoboGuy 05-17-2012 03:56 PM

Half of the GP's don't care about their job and making the server better and safer, since all the reports they get is "he called me a naymmm!" so i don't see why there hiring like a dozen GP's when they might be doing stuff Matt does'n't know. This is all my opinion and what admins i want is more scripters and LAT's.

David K? 05-17-2012 04:04 PM

Quote:

Posted by Tyler (Post 117732)
If you send in an application, do an interview, and get hired how is that volunteering? You are now employed under the company. I've never heard of a company paying staff in virtual unreal currency.

I'd assume since an application is usually legally binding,
and companies probably don't want you doing things while
you are helping out for free.
(stealing, messing with things, other legalities)

If you'd like, feel free to think of it as a crappy internship
where you go to work for a company without being paid
since they have the option to pay you or not.

As for companies paying... well I've seen more companies
hire people as volunteer like Pokemon TD, and a few other
RPG type games, but since I can't remember their names,
I suppose they can't be used. At least on Pokemon TD what
I was told was it was for free and you could apply, but I'm
sure they might get a little something on the side, free
pokemon or customization things...

Take a look at Second Life.

I don't know, I guess I see nothing wrong with only allowing
a select few of volunteers, and actually knowing a little about
them before I take them in.

Maikeru 05-17-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Posted by David K? (Post 117830)
I'd assume since an application is usually legally binding,
and companies probably don't want you doing things while
you are helping out for free.
(stealing, messing with things, other legalities)

If you'd like, feel free to think of it as a crappy internship
where you go to work for a company without being paid
since they have the option to pay you or not.

As for companies paying... well I've seen more companies
hire people as volunteer like Pokemon TD, and a few other
RPG type games, but since I can't remember their names,
I suppose they can't be used. At least on Pokemon TD what
I was told was it was for free and you could apply, but I'm
sure they might get a little something on the side, free
pokemon or customization things...

Take a look at Second Life.

I don't know, I guess I see nothing wrong with only allowing
a select few of volunteers, and actually knowing a little about
them before I take them in.

What you see:
http://images.clipartof.com/small/22...Money-Sign.jpg

What they see:
http://commissarydeals.com/wp-conten...ign-797711.gif

They don't pay you for making graphics or complaining with 13 year olds sir

Fireenn 05-17-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Posted by Pazx (Post 117711)
Solution: make scripting/LATing tutorials here on the forums for those who already have some basic knowledge of the scripts and have an interest in those positions. I'm sure the graalians.com forum would produce incredibly amounts of user-submitted content, most of it would be pretty awful at first, that's a given, but with time I'm sure some gems would appear and the game would be better off in the long run.


Even though not everyone would have a gold account i do recommend going here
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...splay.php?f=55
Has a lot of tutorials and I can say there are very experienced players willing to help others (if you are able to post)

Would be cool to have a development forum part for people interested in GFX/Levels/Scripts /Gani/Sounds

iC* 05-17-2012 07:00 PM

I think, that if you are working for a company, and this is your job, you should get paid real money. Because getting paid in gelats? Wtf bs.

David K? 05-17-2012 07:51 PM

Quote:

Posted by Maikeru (Post 117853)

or complaining with 13 year olds sir
That is exactly why you shouldn't do it...
That is exactly why I didn't do it.

You know Nike paid $35 to a college student to create their logo?
The brilliant college student created a wonderful logo having to do
with the icon of the Greek God Athena and her swift victories...

How much is Nike worth now?

As an artist, especially a freelancer, you need to learn how to do business.
Others are more worried about making a living than to get the best deals..

If you create it, and don't want it given to free,
don't have someone upload it.

I've only created art for Frontier and Shaded Legends,
the only thing I made for iClassic were things my guild could use.

I saw no point in wasting my time or services creating things I
could otherwise be paid for elsewhere.

Why create for a game that would own all
rights to my creative ideas and graphics? :]

Spoiler
Quote:

Posted by Maikeru (Post 117853)
or complaining with 13 year olds sir

As for complaining alongside someone...
I'm not helping anyone complain, only teaching the words
volunteer and job are being used out of context.

You can have a nonpaying volunteer experience as well as
you can have a nonpaying job.

The experience of becoming staff on Graal can be more-so an internship,
where you can learn from others in your expertise.

My thoughts on this were so others would actually stop complaining,
but I was not rude enough to say that.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Nyx 05-17-2012 09:11 PM

If admins want money they can find a real job, thats their choice to not get paid , if they want money they can quit staff team

ArtaXerXes 05-17-2012 10:04 PM

BurgerBatman is obviously the best...

MrSimons 05-17-2012 10:10 PM

Quote:

Posted by Nyx (Post 118022)
If admins want money they can find a real job, thats their choice to not get paid , if they want money they can quit staff team

Holy **** a smart person, who isn't rambling about how staff have lives and deserve a pay for there hard hard life :o

Skyzer 05-17-2012 10:28 PM

Just so happens that I'm the best ever.

Bin 05-18-2012 01:14 AM

Thanks for getting this thread tremendously off topic. We were talking about how corrupt and unhelpful staff are.

twilit 05-18-2012 02:18 AM

Quote:

Posted by Mr.$imons (Post 117590)
Midori and Julius seem to be great Graal Police as they are yet to be the only staff to take the time to answer a question, or even respond to my feedback. And FP4 and Rufus seem to contribute quite a lot to this game, other than that I don't know much about the staff.

Arichi is a good GP too. She has always answered pms.

Quote:

Posted by Skill (Post 117629)
The server is not only updated when sales are down. The content is made by volunteers who do it for free, so its added whenever people feel like making content.

Hmph. Since when does a volunteer staff member do stuff by own will? People have lives n dont wanna waste time making gfx for children. And either way, xor has to approve EVERYTHING before its sold/released

GotenGraal 05-18-2012 02:18 AM

Quote:

Posted by Nyx (Post 118022)
If admins want money they can find a real job, thats their choice to not get paid , if they want money they can quit staff team

Enough said^. So people who complain about how staff doesn't get paid and shouldn't have to do much for us plz stfu they volunteer for the positions they know what there getting into.

twilit 05-18-2012 02:22 AM

Quote:

Posted by Skyzer (Post 118110)
Just so happens that I'm the best ever.

O snap!
Lets not forget Skyld n Taylor n Jezzle n people
*applaudes*

David K? 05-18-2012 05:27 AM

Quote:

Posted by Bin (Post 118215)
Thanks for getting this thread tremendously off topic. We were talking about how corrupt and unhelpful staff are.

But there isn't much to talk about,
it happens. x.X;

Most of the people talking about it
would love to be staff, and they
would do the same things.

You should talk about how they can improve,
which they won't listen to of course, but at
least you would then be trying to help them.

Jester Lapse 05-18-2012 05:33 AM

Back on topic. I can't really judge iClassic seeing as I rarely play, but when I did, nothing made me more mad than staff that had PM from friend's only and would just talk to their guild. I don't like unhelpful people that don't really do anything for the server. Just my thoughts, dunno how things are like now.

Talon 05-18-2012 05:51 AM

Quote:

Posted by Maikeru (Post 117716)
And Therefore, the graal gods invented the staff contact sign:
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/2...forareason.png

Hahahahahaha. Win.

Anyway, I think the staff needs to start listening more to the community. Graal is a community-driven game, and the developers need to cater towards what the community wants, even if it's not in the best interest for Stefan's wallet. Uploads are too pricey, demand for a trade system (I approve of an iClassic system, but not an Era system for game-economical reasons), more in-depth quests, et cetera. iClassic is already losing a chunk of their playerbase to iEra, which keeps putting out great content (auctions, a VAST array of events, new weapons, et cetera). We had a step in the right direction with Yorktown, but it seems our pace has slowed down again. The PK Zone implementation failed as I expected. We should kick things in gear now and start releasing new, lasting, and usable features. By lasting, I mean useful things like the horses, Pyrat quests, etc. I heard new weapons are on their way, and I'm anticipating that eagerly.

Rufus 05-18-2012 06:01 AM

Quote:

Posted by Agony (Post 118406)
Anyway, I think the staff needs to start listening more to the community. Graal is a community-driven game, and the developers need to cater towards what the community wants, even if it's not in the best interest for Stefan's wallet.

Quote:

Posted by Agony (Post 118406)
The PK Zone implementation failed as I expected.

Quote:

Posted by Agony (Post 118406)
I heard new weapons are on their way, and I'm anticipating that eagerly.

Huh?

Talon 05-18-2012 06:04 AM

Huh?

Twinny 05-18-2012 12:46 PM

Quick! Bitch to volunteers about **** they have no control over. Its totally motivating!


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