Gifts Trading : New System
 

Graal Classic New Gift Trade System Idea

Hi my name is Aragorn.
We all know that since years scam has been one of the biggest problem in this game, people are immature or just dumb, and around Christmas, its really here where you see whats people think and what they really are.

Anyway, so im here to show you a new idea i thought recently, i'll show you with some pictures i created, lets start :
https://i.imgur.com/A4AXdKI.png

At first, you'll only see the Give Present Option. But what about we create another option : Trade Present.

https://i.imgur.com/PEGp8ah.png

The next player would receive this message :

https://i.imgur.com/ZawNcjp.png

After you accept, a trade window will open, looking like this :

https://i.imgur.com/8phguOk.png

People could just Click on which Gifts they want, AND you'll see the other player window. The trade will be accepted only if the two of us has validate the trade. In this window you'll be able to put the amount of gift you wanna trade.
Quick edit : i know some will say that its Christmas, and at Christmas you dont really trade, you gift and trust people. But its been years now, even if its Christmas, add a system like this would be better.
Thats it, if you have any comments, i'll listen to your feedback, thanks !
(sorry for my english lol)

Perfect!

Me: This is great!
Scammers: welp it’s all over

No.

I think we at least need a way of sending multiple gifts to a single person at once. I usually gift my friends multiple times a year and having to manually send and tag each one is tedious.

No ? Why ?

Yea my bad here, i was going at work i published my thread a bit earlier..

Wouldn’t be graalmas without another innovative gift trading idea!!!!

Very unnecessary. Totally not the point of the gifts in the first place. Just gift your friends and they will gift you back most of the time, and if not ah well. For people who want some extra there is always secret santa

I dont think scammer should have an opinion on this David ;) , pretty fun seeing you here after getting report saying that you were a scammer.

Love that your idea is to add an option to “trade present” using the Easter egg hunt trading system instead of simply replacing “give present.” Especially because there doesn’t seem to be a reason to have a trade system for gifting since Christmas is about giving plus there’s a Secret Santa stall. I also appreciate your suggestion of adding a way to put how many presents we’d like to give/trade with the bug selling system to the witch in Swamp to make things easier. I’d guess that Secret Santa would have to be removed/replaced for your idea to be implemented. Your idea would be great for those who are too broke to spend an extra 10 gralat fee to use Secret Santa and it would definitely reassure people who are afraid of getting scammed. Plus the wait to get a trade from Secret Santa takes a while and the fact that people ask to see a player’s gralats in their profile, which doesn’t show how many gifts they have in their inventory, but this trading system prove they have gifts even when their profile says they’re broke. Since scamming is a reason to be banned, I don’t see why this idea would be disposed of when it’s been thought out thoroughly.

One flaw I see with this system is what if both players put a different number for how many gifts they would like to trade with each other? Or perhaps the choosing amount of gifts you’d like to send should only be for “give present” option while the “trade gift” is one by one, so that there’s also a different in the page both options lead to in case someone clicks one option thinking they clicked the other.
And a little out of topic but the idea would be great for Valentine gifting too!

I thought exactly the same, thanks Kyuro :) !

Not sure what you’re on about you can ask anyone on here that I’m legit. And even if so, its a bad idea. Gifts are called gifts for a reason. If you want to trade, do it with secret santa or with friends you can trust.

I agree with this. Christmas is about giving so I don't understand why people rush to max out their gifts. Sure getting a lot of items is nice but imo it just ruins the spirit and meaning behind it. Secret santa works because you're giving a gift to a random stranger and also receiving one back from a random stranger.

Are the people who gift for gift really that poor? If you're able to send out multiple gifts (most of the time, 10 for 10) to multiple people then I don't think a small fee of 10 gralats per gift is even an issue. I doesn't even take 10 seconds to make that much and it seems like a fair amount to pay for an 100% safe exchange.

Scamming gifts can't get you banned. There's no way of knowing someone got scammed. The only reason someone would get a ban for scamming is if real money/accounts were involved.

Easy, if they do implement this they can display the amount of gifts each player is adding to the trade and if both players accept it goes through, just like how Steam handled their normal trades. The amount sent/recieved wouldn't have to be the exact same.

I think this goes back to square one for me. It ruined the idea of it all and it'd just turn into more of a hoarding event than it already is.

These are just my two cents. Who knows maybe trading gifs is what this event needs but I'm not really for it. There's already a way of safely exchanging gifts and if people actually used the service they wouldn't get scammed. You could argue that the 10 gift per day limit is why people don't use it but it makes perfect sense being there. This holiday is about giving, not spamming people with G4G? and trying to make a brand new 5th ocean in your house with presents.

I agree with most of the thing you said, but :

- scam should be a reason to ban people.
- Yea like i said i know if they put the Trade Idea in game it'll "ruin" the Christmas Spirit. But this spirit is stained each time someone scam another person. And since the start of Gift Trading its getting worst and worst, even with Secret Santa.

Imagine being a kid, farming weeks, months to be able to trade gifts, you made your own money and when you trade, someone scam you multiple times. Because we're adults or grown people we dont really care about gifts we can spend money and gift how many gifts we want. But not these players, and these players represent the biggest community of the game.

Thats why a trade option should be allowed, and if i remember correctly, even if its about giving and offering, in most of every family around the world, people trade gift between them. You dont wait for a gift, but usually when someone gift you, you have something for him.

I agree but like I said there's know way of staff knowing if someone was truly scammed or not. Sure maybe there are logs of who gifted who but other than that it's just word of mouth and the amount of false bans would be high. Also forgive my lack of knowledge but how is Secret Santa unsafe? You give it a gift and you get one in return. It feels as safe as gift exchanging in this game could ever be.

I've been the kid who spends a lot of time farming for gifts. I farmed over 120,000 gralats in less than a month on my first year back into this game just so I could gift my friends and I didn't get scammed when gifting other people because I used the Secret Santa stall.

The people who take advantage of others to get free gifts will never disappear. Even with a trading system they'll still scam unsuspecting children by talking their way through it. Those kids could easily avoid it by using the SS stall too. If they keep doing the exact same thing (trading with random people they don't know) and expect a different result (to not get scammed) then that's just crazy becase there's an alternative way to do it which is as far as I know, completely safe.


Of course but that's different. Those families don't go up to eachother and say "I'll buy you 10 things if you buy me 10 things". They buy their loved ones gifts without expecting anything in return because that's what the holiday is about. There's no agreements made or scams that can happen because it's just families giving to eachother.

You also said it yourself. Keyword "Families". Do you go up to random people you don't know in real life and ask them if they want to exchange gifts? Probably not and even if you did it would go two ways.

1) You exchange gifts and it goes well because offline you're not hiding behind a monitor and if any of the two parties scams the other then they can just go to the authorities and they'll sort it out so it's not worth even bothering trying.

2) They'll just decline the offer because they might think something is phishy.

I wouldn't really compare what happens in this game to situations in real life because unlike the latter, we're dealing with items that hold no actual real world value.

/closethread
i.e use secret santa to trade

Don’t hate the player, hate the game. If people are gullible to fall into scam traps then they need to learn the hard way.

Didn't your parents teach you this lesson? If you be a good little boy this year, you'll get a lot of presents. So be nice and friendly towards people all year and you'll make friends who will gift you. If you want to be a big ol' meanie accusing Davids of scamming, or antisocialing it up in a corner somewhere, you're going to have to rely on Secret Santa!

Im not doing this thread for myself lol. Dont worry about me i got all the gifts i needed.
Im nice to everyone and i dont accuse someone without any evidences, my private message are open if you wanna talk about it and see why i put this message for David.

If you all think the numbers of scammers in this game is ok then stay with your "giving spirit" which exist because of players like us. But we're a minority.

You'r saying this like its a funny thing. Learning the hard way isnt the good way, you know someone could scam because he was scammer in the past.

Secret Santa allows you only 10 gifts a day, today the gifts became a little like a competition, the more gifts you get the more items you could possibly have. So secret santa is good, but mostly to get higher than 500 gifts usually..

AAAAND here's the root of the problem in my opinion. People turned this nice season and holiday into a who's got the bigger di- pile of gift contest. The way I see it is the 10 gift limit on secret santa is there because they don't want people rushing to the gift limit. They probably don't even want people hitting the limit in the first place for various reasons but the main one I can think of right now is the strain it causes on the server. Hundreds/thousands of players gifting aka spawning countless furniture items probably doesn't sit well with the already fragile server, hence the hidden gifts when you reach a certain amount.

If players stuck to gifting the people they cared amount used secret santa for exchanging with random people no one would get scammed, no one would reach 500 gifts which is great imo and there'd be no need to hide gifts in houses resulting in a slightly better running server around christmas.

Also I kind of disagree with this. I'm not saying scamming is a good thing or anything but as someone who has gotten scammed out of thousands of dollars trading items through steam, it's a great way to learn. If you get scammed you will know what it feels like so you'll never want to fall for anything again. You'll learn to properly look at every single detail of a trade/exchange and will pick up on things you probably glossed over the first time. Lastly you'll never fall to scamming people yourself because you've been on the other end of it before and know what it feels like having something stolen from you.

Lol Green i like you, but dont go this way.
Server could be better if the staff actually put money in it. Instead of keeping it. You know ... Upgrade or improve slot ect..

I'm not denying it but from what I've read and heard it's a bit more complicated than just a money issue. This is all going off of memory so forgive me if i'm wrong and I would love it if someone else could properly explain this but I'm pretty sure most of/if not all of graal as a whole is really outdated. An example of this is that the developer tools don't even run properly/at all on windows 10. As you can see Dusty is already working on level editor slowly.
http://www.graalians.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41569

It's kind of a catch 22. They need more developers but the developer tools barely even work and to update/remake those developer tools they need more developers.

But going back to the point at hand. Server upgrades would probably require a lot of things being redone which I don't think would even be possible right now so of course doing whatever it takes to minimize server latency right now would be important.

You realise this is a game right? This isn’t like people are committing financial fraud. If people are silly enough to fall for it then they deserve it. And about the ‘someone could turn into a scammer because of being scammed’. This isn’t a bloody comic book, and i dont think people are gonna start suffering trauma from their past experiences in graal.

If you take a holiday that is about gifting friends and turn it into a goal of just getting as many gifts as you can, and 10 gifts a day isn't sufficient then maybe the risks of "trading" is justified.

if only gift boxes dropped useful items and not 80% ****ty food and useless furniture then i'd agree, but people pretty much have to do this if they want a moderate amount of non-mediocre content (so hats).

Well, it was just a simple idea to put aside the Give Present to decrease the Scam in graal. But with all these comments i guess we dont think the same about it, and i understand your point all :) .

I think you'r one of the people that makes this look like a goal to reach.. why limited it to 500 gifts max ? Why put food as a super commun item ? Its clearly so we can buy more gifts lol. I love Christmas, i love the spirit of Christmas, but i'll love too having a trade or a give present System that could decrease the scam rate even if it'll make Christmas less traditional.

I think the general idea is much better fitting for era, because not only is there no Secret Santa, but also Era players seem 10 times more likely to scam you from what I’ve experienced over the past years.

Maaan, you sound like Nick Cannon's crew tryin' to stress that they're not dissin Em for clout. I'm supposed to take this seriously?

Christmas has been and likely always will be about giving gifts to people you like, to show your appreciation towards them. Next you'll tell me parents are out here gettin' scammed because their kids didn't give them equal gifts in return. Gift who you want to gift, and don't automatically expect equal gifts in return like it's o w e d to you or something. There doesn't need to be some system, just like actual Christmas, because it ain't about fair trades! It's a Jingle Jangle Jungle out there, know what I'm sayin'? You're not risking anything though, because you're gifting people regardless, and that's lIterally what Christmas is! Gifting people! Showing goodwill towards others! No comprende...?

I get what you're saying. Player sees some guy saying he'll trade 5 gifts for 5 or whatever, they give however many and then the guy doesn't return the favor and then the Player feels like they just wasted gralats and were insulted. Thing is, you're dealing with some random ass people online that you don't know. You gonna go on some message board and arrange to mail someone a PS4 and some games with the promise that they'll mail you gifts of equal value? Hell no, unless you're just giving away to give away, and aren't really focused on anything in return, cause it's Christmas. The F difference does Graal make? Actually tell me why Graal is different, why you're owed equal gifts in exchange for ones you give away. It doesn't matter if they say they'll give equal gifts, anyone can make up any lie they want anywhere they want when they're anonymous online, and everyone who uses the internet should already know this. If you use Secret Santa everyday, you're already getting like 200 gifts! Last year I didn't play until last minute, and only got 20-30 gifts, and I still got like 10 hats, 3 or 4 mounts, and a few other non food/furniture stuff.

In conclusion, you only get scammed when giving when you want to feel like you're getting scammed, otherwise it's just giving lololo

Waste more of your time reading down here, it's on you if you do though, not giving you back an equal amount of time in exchange ohhhhh ↓

Lol. You sound so mad. It was just a thread about adding a system removing the scam issue BUT keeping the give present option.

Engine limitations.
Well I don't make that decision, but I do know it was initially because there are only a finite amount of rewards and there needs to be something in case the player runs out of items to get.

It would be better to tone down the frequency of the furniture/food/gralat rewards. It’s just too high given how much stuff we can potentially get now.

Thanks for the answers, about the server limitations, are we close to getting maybe a technical upgrade ? Or "they" need more money before upgrading or even think about it haha ?

A game engine is not the same as a server. The server is fine. The game engine Graal is made on is garbage and the cause of most problems lol