Graal Classic New Gift Trade System Idea

Hi my name is Aragorn.
We all know that since years scam has been one of the biggest problem in this game, people are immature or just dumb, and around Christmas, its really here where you see whats people think and what they really are.

Anyway, so im here to show you a new idea i thought recently, i'll show you with some pictures i created, lets start :


At first, you'll only see the Give Present Option. But what about we create another option : Trade Present.



The next player would receive this message :



After you accept, a trade window will open, looking like this :



People could just Click on which Gifts they want, AND you'll see the other player window. The trade will be accepted only if the two of us has validate the trade. In this window you'll be able to put the amount of gift you wanna trade.
Quick edit : i know some will say that its Christmas, and at Christmas you dont really trade, you gift and trust people. But its been years now, even if its Christmas, add a system like this would be better.
Thats it, if you have any comments, i'll listen to your feedback, thanks !
(sorry for my english lol)  

Perfect!  

Me: This is great!
Scammers: welp it’s all over  

No.  

I think we at least need a way of sending multiple gifts to a single person at once. I usually gift my friends multiple times a year and having to manually send and tag each one is tedious.  

Posted by SomeGuy

No.

No ? Why ?

Posted by Green

I think we at least need a way of sending multiple gifts to a single person at once. I usually gift my friends multiple times a year and having to manually send and tag each one is tedious.

Yea my bad here, i was going at work i published my thread a bit earlier..  

Wouldn’t be graalmas without another innovative gift trading idea!!!!  

Very unnecessary. Totally not the point of the gifts in the first place. Just gift your friends and they will gift you back most of the time, and if not ah well. For people who want some extra there is always secret santa  

Posted by David M.

Very unnecessary. Totally not the point of the gifts in the first place. Just gift your friends and they will gift you back most of the time, and if not ah well. For people who want some extra there is always secret santa

I dont think scammer should have an opinion on this David ;) , pretty fun seeing you here after getting report saying that you were a scammer.  

Love that your idea is to add an option to “trade present” using the Easter egg hunt trading system instead of simply replacing “give present.” Especially because there doesn’t seem to be a reason to have a trade system for gifting since Christmas is about giving plus there’s a Secret Santa stall. I also appreciate your suggestion of adding a way to put how many presents we’d like to give/trade with the bug selling system to the witch in Swamp to make things easier. I’d guess that Secret Santa would have to be removed/replaced for your idea to be implemented. Your idea would be great for those who are too broke to spend an extra 10 gralat fee to use Secret Santa and it would definitely reassure people who are afraid of getting scammed. Plus the wait to get a trade from Secret Santa takes a while and the fact that people ask to see a player’s gralats in their profile, which doesn’t show how many gifts they have in their inventory, but this trading system prove they have gifts even when their profile says they’re broke. Since scamming is a reason to be banned, I don’t see why this idea would be disposed of when it’s been thought out thoroughly.

One flaw I see with this system is what if both players put a different number for how many gifts they would like to trade with each other? Or perhaps the choosing amount of gifts you’d like to send should only be for “give present” option while the “trade gift” is one by one, so that there’s also a different in the page both options lead to in case someone clicks one option thinking they clicked the other.
And a little out of topic but the idea would be great for Valentine gifting too!  

Posted by KyuRo

Love that your idea is to add an option to “trade present” using the Easter egg hunt trading system instead of simply replacing “give present.” Especially because there doesn’t seem to be a reason to have a trade system for gifting since Christmas is about giving plus there’s a Secret Santa stall. I also appreciate your suggestion of adding a way to put how many presents we’d like to give/trade with the bug selling system to the witch in Swamp to make things easier. I’d guess that Secret Santa would have to be removed/replaced for your idea to be implemented. Your idea would be great for those who are too broke to spend an extra 10 gralat fee to use Secret Santa and it would definitely reassure people who are afraid of getting scammed. Plus the wait to get a trade from Secret Santa takes a while and the fact that people ask to see a player’s gralats in their profile, which doesn’t show how many gifts they have in their inventory, but this trading system prove they have gifts even when their profile says they’re broke. Since scamming is a reason to be banned, I don’t see why this idea would be disposed of when it’s been thought out thoroughly.

One flaw I see with this system is what if both players put a different number for how many gifts they would like to trade with each other? Or perhaps the choosing amount of gifts you’d like to send should only be for “give present” option while the “trade gift” is one by one, so that there’s also a different in the page both options lead to in case someone clicks one option thinking they clicked the other.
And a little out of topic but the idea would be great for Valentine gifting too!

I thought exactly the same, thanks Kyuro !  

Posted by Perception.

I dont think scammer should have an opinion on this David ;) , pretty fun seeing you here after getting report saying that you were a scammer.

Not sure what you’re on about you can ask anyone on here that I’m legit. And even if so, its a bad idea. Gifts are called gifts for a reason. If you want to trade, do it with secret santa or with friends you can trust.  

Posted by KyuRo

Especially because there doesn’t seem to be a reason to have a trade system for gifting since Christmas is about giving plus there’s a Secret Santa stall.

I agree with this. Christmas is about giving so I don't understand why people rush to max out their gifts. Sure getting a lot of items is nice but imo it just ruins the spirit and meaning behind it. Secret santa works because you're giving a gift to a random stranger and also receiving one back from a random stranger.

Posted by KyuRo

Your idea would be great for those who are too broke to spend an extra 10 gralat fee to use Secret Santa

Are the people who gift for gift really that poor? If you're able to send out multiple gifts (most of the time, 10 for 10) to multiple people then I don't think a small fee of 10 gralats per gift is even an issue. I doesn't even take 10 seconds to make that much and it seems like a fair amount to pay for an 100% safe exchange.

Posted by KyuRo

Since scamming is a reason to be banned

Scamming gifts can't get you banned. There's no way of knowing someone got scammed. The only reason someone would get a ban for scamming is if real money/accounts were involved.

Posted by KyuRo

One flaw I see with this system is what if both players put a different number for how many gifts they would like to trade with each other?

Easy, if they do implement this they can display the amount of gifts each player is adding to the trade and if both players accept it goes through, just like how Steam handled their normal trades. The amount sent/recieved wouldn't have to be the exact same.

Posted by KyuRo

And a little out of topic but the idea would be great for Valentine gifting too!

I think this goes back to square one for me. It ruined the idea of it all and it'd just turn into more of a hoarding event than it already is.

These are just my two cents. Who knows maybe trading gifs is what this event needs but I'm not really for it. There's already a way of safely exchanging gifts and if people actually used the service they wouldn't get scammed. You could argue that the 10 gift per day limit is why people don't use it but it makes perfect sense being there. This holiday is about giving, not spamming people with G4G? and trying to make a brand new 5th ocean in your house with presents.  

Posted by Green

I agree with this. Christmas is about giving so I don't understand why people rush to max out their gifts. Sure getting a lot of items is nice but imo it just ruins the spirit and meaning behind it. Secret santa works because you're giving a gift to a random stranger and also receiving one back from a random stranger.



Are the people who gift for gift really that poor? If you're able to send out multiple gifts (most of the time, 10 for 10) to multiple people then I don't think a small fee of 10 gralats per gift is even an issue. I doesn't even take 10 seconds to make that much and it seems like a fair amount to pay for an 100% safe exchange.



Scamming gifts can't get you banned. There's no way of knowing someone got scammed. The only reason someone would get a ban for scamming is if real money/accounts were involved.



Easy, if they do implement this they can display the amount of gifts each player is adding to the trade and if both players accept it goes through, just like how Steam handled their normal trades. The amount sent/recieved wouldn't have to be the exact same.



I think this goes back to square one for me. It ruined the idea of it all and it'd just turn into more of a hoarding event than it already is.

These are just my two cents. Who knows maybe trading gifs is what this event needs but I'm not really for it. There's already a way of safely exchanging gifts and if people actually used the service they wouldn't get scammed. You could argue that the 10 gift per day limit is why people don't use it but it makes perfect sense being there. This holiday is about giving, not spamming people with G4G? and trying to make a brand new 5th ocean in your house with presents.

I agree with most of the thing you said, but :

- scam should be a reason to ban people.
- Yea like i said i know if they put the Trade Idea in game it'll "ruin" the Christmas Spirit. But this spirit is stained each time someone scam another person. And since the start of Gift Trading its getting worst and worst, even with Secret Santa.

Imagine being a kid, farming weeks, months to be able to trade gifts, you made your own money and when you trade, someone scam you multiple times. Because we're adults or grown people we dont really care about gifts we can spend money and gift how many gifts we want. But not these players, and these players represent the biggest community of the game.

Thats why a trade option should be allowed, and if i remember correctly, even if its about giving and offering, in most of every family around the world, people trade gift between them. You dont wait for a gift, but usually when someone gift you, you have something for him.  

Posted by Perception.

- scam should be a reason to ban people.
- Yea like i said i know if they put the Trade Idea in game it'll "ruin" the Christmas Spirit. But this spirit is stained each time someone scam another person. And since the start of Gift Trading its getting worst and worst, even with Secret Santa.

I agree but like I said there's know way of staff knowing if someone was truly scammed or not. Sure maybe there are logs of who gifted who but other than that it's just word of mouth and the amount of false bans would be high. Also forgive my lack of knowledge but how is Secret Santa unsafe? You give it a gift and you get one in return. It feels as safe as gift exchanging in this game could ever be.

Posted by Perception.

Imagine being a kid, farming weeks, months to be able to trade gifts, you made your own money and when you trade, someone scam you multiple times.

I've been the kid who spends a lot of time farming for gifts. I farmed over 120,000 gralats in less than a month on my first year back into this game just so I could gift my friends and I didn't get scammed when gifting other people because I used the Secret Santa stall.

The people who take advantage of others to get free gifts will never disappear. Even with a trading system they'll still scam unsuspecting children by talking their way through it. Those kids could easily avoid it by using the SS stall too. If they keep doing the exact same thing (trading with random people they don't know) and expect a different result (to not get scammed) then that's just crazy becase there's an alternative way to do it which is as far as I know, completely safe.

Posted by Perception.

Thats why a trade option should be allowed, and if i remember correctly, even if its about giving and offering, in most of every family around the world, people trade gift between them. You dont wait for a gift, but usually when someone gift you, you have something for him.

Of course but that's different. Those families don't go up to eachother and say "I'll buy you 10 things if you buy me 10 things". They buy their loved ones gifts without expecting anything in return because that's what the holiday is about. There's no agreements made or scams that can happen because it's just families giving to eachother.

You also said it yourself. Keyword "Families". Do you go up to random people you don't know in real life and ask them if they want to exchange gifts? Probably not and even if you did it would go two ways.

1) You exchange gifts and it goes well because offline you're not hiding behind a monitor and if any of the two parties scams the other then they can just go to the authorities and they'll sort it out so it's not worth even bothering trying.

2) They'll just decline the offer because they might think something is phishy.

I wouldn't really compare what happens in this game to situations in real life because unlike the latter, we're dealing with items that hold no actual real world value.