Graal
 

The more staff work for free on graal, the less unixmad will care about us.

I wonder how many people were promised to be paid when doing work for Graal by Unixmand but never were. I don't know how this game doesn't get sued more often.

This world is full of suckers. Either you're a giver or you're a taker.

I see it as a double edge sword. On one side you are providing people with experiences in different fields and creating a grassroots community, on the other its an asshole who only cares bout money.

Yeah hone your skills as a developer on this ****ty game so you can move on to a better game and make some real $$$.

Start off doing what you do on Graal, develop your talents on the sever for awhile. Move on to something bigger and better later on.

Graal isn't an internship. I can't even speak anything here about the truth of this game without posts being deleted, but FYI, there is no reason in the universe why developers should not be making money

well when you used to want to talk **** about Graal you could use Graal Reborn, idk anymore though

It isn't even talking ****; you can't speak THE TRUTH because of some seriously shady **** going on.

Without all the volunteer staff Graal would not have had the support to be able to still be alive. Graal is possibly the longest running MMO online ever. It was originally one of the first MMO's with graphics ever created and populations has increased massively too since the last 5 years. (Well over 1000%). The potential is still very much there as it's always been.

Unfortunately it's lack of focus, direction, appreciation (to staff and players alike), and service from the ownership has kept it from a faster growth imo. Nonetheless I'm proud and happy with how far its come, regardless of what some other respected original players might say.

Also many players who don't volunteer their time as staff however take the time to provide detailed suggestions and sharing their ideas helps tremendously to continue to see a progressive development.

Personally, I'd like to say thanks to the entire Graal team (current and past) and players for your contributions and support. No one is perfect but continue to strive to do better and it'll just happen. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year! <3

This game has literally made millions of dollars, and when they began charging people for my content in 2001 (this sounds ridiculous, but it's true) they made close to $100,000. Give me $50,000 and I'll build you one helluva game. This game has not thrived on volunteers, it has squandered money and leeched off of volunteers and there's a difference; this is why the game hasn't changed much at all; it isn't "owned" by game developers, although they claim. It's "owned" by salesmen with server support.

I'm not going to doubt that you could develop a game for $50k. However I don't believe you would do better than unixmad, in my honest opinion. Primarily because I think you'd be a challenge to work or communicate effectively/productively with. I would have rather seen Brett running Graal back then. Although he would only say "no" and "shut".. oh of course there'd be the occasional "nini ugly".

Contego, no offense but you don't anything about me to be making such claims. I will speak for myself, and not only could I design and develop a better game, as well as manage—but I could also run one better. Quite frankly I've been through enough I refuse to take this from you or anyone else. Good luck living in your fantasies; and FYI, "customer support" shouldn't be the forefront of a good game. I'm done entertaining this delusion

Case in point. =)

"Gralat Studios" 8-)

You know absolutely nothing about creative innovation, and quite frankly not only has my content been stolen in this community and I've been blackmailed and outcast for exploitation, but I am not being paid, nor am I an admin. In what universe do you think that I would be running around here picking up the duties of customer support and existing in a state of a constant walking resumé here? That is called A DUTY, and I don't have that duty here—nor would I prostitute myself for that kind of attention considering everything's that happened. Come back to reality, I am here for socializing

I feel like everything you've thrown at me might actually be reflection of yourself. But anyway you're preaching to the choir when you complain to me about what you have contributed to Graal pro bono. My comments about you were made on my direct experiences and observations of your, in my opinion, poor form of socializing. Anyway Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, good day.

No, hot stuff—it's a reflection of you. You don't have to consider my socializing "rich", but at least I contribute to the conversations here and actually deal with people—good or bad. I'm not on trial here. However, while you continue to try to convince yourself that a full grown neurotypical adult 21 year old donating her time to administrate a game for other adults in my shadow was somehow the highlight of Graal's success & exploitation—I've won awards for interactive design & development, kickstarted this game into success, ran my own high-end marketing business, worked with celebrities, spoke with archangels & courageously confronted countless forms of death, and have accomplished—and will continue to accomplish—amazing things. One thing you don't realize is that while you and other people's jealousy like to call me a "flaming poor socialite"—in the end, I will be remembered because even if someone says something outrageous and disgusting, I still value them and interact even without an ounce of hope for any speck of Graal political power.

**** off.

I'm rubber and you're glue.. :drool:

Doing better than unixmad is not hard. Working and talking with unixmad without having him harass you or feeling the urge to cuss that **** out is hard, however.

He probably has had a reason to be rude to you then as he's been nice to me when I spoke to him lol

I have studied mankind, the charming shadow, and addiction for many, many years. You don't know what you're talking about

Unixmad threatened me with a lawsuit once...

But the real offence was when Stefan killed me on Kingdoms. Neither of us were in a kingdom, and I couldn't damage him. Rude af.

NEUROTYPICAL IS EVERYTHING!!

Okay, well I can actually program my own game from scratch, better than this—make my own graphics, develop all my content, do all the marketing & web design, and build my own business; and in fact I plan on doing such a thing. Really, you mouthing off about other people's worthiness at managing their own companies because you find their autism annoying is an invasion of their sanctity. I wouldn't let you step foot on my turf; I'm a professional, and your customer management is ****. If you want to criticize this game, fine—because it was built by other people; but telling top-notch developers & entrepreneurs that you know what is good for them by observing their tongue-in-cheek personality on a forum just shows why you should have never been here; also, Graal2001 went to real **** when I left. Good job.

And FYI, I built this game's business, and if I wasn't 14 I would have had my fair share or been using MY CONTENT that was being exclusively sold as the end product to fund MY BANK ACCOUNT, which would have been minimally 50% in a contract—which means that regardless of what you see, I'll say it; I was robbed—which makes this my place. You start coming around my ****ing game and criticizing my abilities as a manager and I'd have you banned.

Lol oh brother. The fact was in 2001 I had to clean up after you and combative folks just like yourself who don't display the ability to absorb constructive feedback for what it is.

nice one Putin

Because you're a newfag and he probably doesn't know you, doesn't care about you and most likely never will. He's nice to people he doesn't care about.

The problem with saying volunteers were leeched off of is the fact that they're volunteers, not employees. They didn't get involved at the level they're at for pay unless they moved far up the ranks.

Additionally, @Antago, you've claimed you can make a better game and such, so considering how you claim this game has made tons, you should probably get to work on making your amazing game to get your scrilla as well. Maybe one day you can buy Unixmad out of the current game.

wtf tego :(

o.o

O.O

inb4, newfag isn't anything mean

Elaborate please, I'm interested to know more. Pardon my LLI.

Shows more about you than it shows about me though :)

It's true though, and I'll mention it again: newfag isn't anything mean.

what the hell is a newfag? Now I want to add it to my vocabulary :P

urbandictionary it, please!! :'(

Add the words together, new & ***!!

You know that 4xx error that Twitter sends you when they're throttling your API calls? psst... I just decided to look at your post history and came across this one.

If you want to make a new game, and do it in a reasonable amount of time without running up against potential burnout, you need to recruit some people. Doing an online game from scratch, on your own, will take at least 3 years, and that's if you're familiar with the full development stack. Graphics rendering, in particular, can be a pretty gnarly performance suck bottleneck if you have no experience there (Graal's engine kind of takes care of a lot of that for many who have developed scripting on Graal). Anyway, if making your own MMOG is really an idea that you feel passionate about and want to pursue, I'd be willing to contribute. PM me.

Whatever you're selling I don't want it!

Merry Christmas!