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Ghettoicedtea 04-10-2013 03:17 AM

Remove hit registration timer!!!
 
Remove this god forsaken feature. This thing is fucking dumb. It does not help the game at all, it makes combat 100X worse. Serously your scamming people like me who use high ROF weapons when its taking 10+ shots to kill someone. Dont give me this bull**** saying it makes gameplay harder for laggers. I lag a ton and gameplay was WAY harder before this feature. But this is getting ridiculose. Today i loaded a full morano clip into a person every bullet hit and they only got down to 5HP. This is making a buttload of people lose/win fights because of this feature. Also its making basing way harder as high ROF weapons mean kill people fast and it makes bullet walls, and MG nest completly useless. Also shptguns nearly completly avoid this hit timer. More of a reason to get rid of this freaking timer and other weapons user will actualy stand a chance against a pbp in a narrow hall.

If this isnt completly removed then at least make the timer way less. From .5 seconds to .17-.2 seconds. That way you wont take 18 damage from a shipkia if you run into 1 shot the then other one.

IF THIS POLL PAST THIS BETTER BE REMOVED. ITS ABOUT TIME ERA STAFF STARTED LISTING TO PLAYERS!

Waipahu808 04-10-2013 04:29 AM

I agree

slasher 04-10-2013 05:34 AM

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Posted by Waipahu808 (Post 328161)
I agree

^^^^

iPulse* 04-10-2013 05:38 AM

Please remove this. Still not sure what the point of it is.

Yogy* 04-10-2013 05:50 AM

Agree

Also im just wondering why cant guns hit laggers same as melees do? Why do we have to use melees on laggers? Laggin people take advantage of it i dont think its fair.

Also when ac was removed from tts and spar tourney i was dissappointed because it was only way to kill a half lagged person (teleportating lagger)

Ozzy_Magus 04-10-2013 06:50 AM

The hit reg. Timer destroys sparring and pking.
No matter what I do, sparring or taking a base, people avoid half of my shots while they're taking them.
This new system favouritises laggers as 1)They don't take full damage as they already lag... 2)with this new system they're nearly unbeatable! Yay!

This is probably (IMO) the worst update we ever had on era.
This ruins the point of having reflexes in sparring...

@Getto
I THINK<- the correct time is 0.8 which means we cannot hit someone twice in less than 1.6s (which is a problem).

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Posted by Yogy* (Post 328211)
Agree

Also im just wondering why cant guns hit laggers same as melees do? Why do we have to use melees on laggers? Laggin people take advantage of it i dont think its fair.

Also when ac was removed from tts and spar tourney i was dissappointed because it was only way to kill a half lagged person (teleportating lagger)

I've asked snk once to script the guns like melees are scripted, apparently that was already tried, but is technically not possible, I don't remember what he said.
But yeah why can't gun bullets be like ac's shots or melee hits...

Rockstar 04-10-2013 08:04 AM

lets keep this afull feature =D

RedBoy786* 04-10-2013 08:14 AM

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Posted by iRockstar Ciprioni (Post 328228)
lets keep this afull feature =D

I actually searched up if afull was a word, then realised you probably meant 'awful' lol.

Rockstar 04-10-2013 08:17 AM

lol, got it from the poll :D

Mofujohn 04-10-2013 11:39 AM

This always annoys the hell out of me, especially when sparring. I agreee; remove it.

CHAOS* 04-10-2013 11:53 AM

What dumbass voted to keep this?

Johnaudi 04-10-2013 12:47 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 328111)
IF THIS POLL PAST THIS BETTER BE REMOVED. ITS ABOUT TIME ERA STAFF STARTED LISTING TO PLAYERS!

No. We've been over this.

Richard 04-10-2013 12:58 PM

Why try? He's right, they have been over this. The decision to make changes to the game are very 'cloak-and-dagger'.

Mejico Josh 04-10-2013 07:25 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 328283)
No. We've been over this.

What so you ignore players completly wow what a nice staff

Ghettoicedtea 04-10-2013 07:37 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 328283)
No. We've been over this.

This is what im talking about. This is why era is going downhill, staff doesn't listen to players. I dare the staff to listen to players for once and see how era turns out.

callimuc 04-10-2013 09:21 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 328111)
IF THIS POLL PAST THIS BETTER BE REMOVED. ITS ABOUT TIME ERA STAFF STARTED LISTING TO PLAYERS!

i've already been listening to enough players. 50% of the text i have been reading has just been complete bull****, like 40% has been a request which has been already discussed thousands of times and 10% were actually some creative, new ideas.

T-10a 04-10-2013 09:55 PM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 328474)
i've already been listening to enough players. 50% of the text i have been reading has just been complete bull****, like 40% has been a request which has been already discussed thousands of times and 10% were actually some creative, new ideas.

This is just unfortunate. Then again, the Era subforum has recently been filled with scam posts, it's nearly getting to the point where the Era PR's won't care about this subforum because of the amount of 'hurr durr i haz been scammed ban dis playa nao plox' spam, or 'Add Trading system plox' threads. I commend you for trying, however.

Jester Lapse 04-10-2013 10:14 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 328418)
This is what im talking about. This is why era is going downhill, staff doesn't listen to players. I dare the staff to listen to players for once and see how era turns out.

Everything would be free if that were the case, and I would have a gun that shoots across the map dealing 100 damage.

BEH0LD iTz SAM 04-10-2013 11:28 PM

I suggested different guns should have different hit reg times because it could add a new aspect to which guns to buy depending on how high the reg is

Yogy* 04-11-2013 12:30 AM

Just add ac to tts and spar tourney. For me that would solve all problems. For others not sure... Start sparring with cannons lol

Ghettoicedtea 04-11-2013 03:19 AM

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Posted by RedBoy786* (Post 328230)
I actually searched up if afull was a word, then realised you probably meant 'awful' lol.

I cantz spellz

5hift 04-11-2013 04:18 AM

Not beneficial for me. Get rid of it.

Ghettoicedtea 04-11-2013 05:18 AM

No one benifits from this

Aleksandr 04-11-2013 05:29 AM

Johnaudi's just a self absorbed *****. End of story, read all his posts they basically all are responses to players telling them no.

Johnaudi 04-11-2013 01:01 PM

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Posted by Aleksandr (Post 328721)
Johnaudi's just a self absorbed *****. End of story, read all his posts they basically all are responses to players telling them no.

Better than being naive.

When we need your opinion we can ask you, no need to bring up stuff we were over it.

We're free to hear any new idea tho.

Rockstar 04-11-2013 01:08 PM

People can't get that through their heads though, Johnaudi.

Ghettoicedtea 04-11-2013 02:56 PM

some things need to go, this is one of those

Collin R.M.* 04-11-2013 07:07 PM

I fully agree it needs to he taken out. It's horrible in spar- people rush the bottom and take MAYBE 1 bullet instead of like 3 as they should. At least shorten the timer.

Johnaudi 04-11-2013 07:22 PM

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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 328891)
some things need to go, this is one of those

You should go too!

Ghettoicedtea 04-11-2013 08:02 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 328828)
Better than being naive.

When we need your opinion we can ask you, no need to bring up stuff we were over it.

admins rarely ask for opinions.

also 83% of the community is against you, admit defeat

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 329076)
You should go too!

why? because im bringing up a thing that admins don't give a damn to fix? If anyone needs to gtfo its you.

Jester Lapse 04-11-2013 08:26 PM

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Posted by Johnaudi (Post 329076)
You should go too!

Shut up. You've stated your view on the matter, if all you are going to post are things telling players to leave, simply unsub from the thread. Shoo.

Skill 04-11-2013 10:08 PM

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Posted by Yogy* (Post 328211)
Agree

Also im just wondering why cant guns hit laggers same as melees do? Why do we have to use melees on laggers? Laggin people take advantage of it i dont think its fair.

Also when ac was removed from tts and spar tourney i was dissappointed because it was only way to kill a half lagged person (teleportating lagger)

Melee uses a simple calculation to determine if it hits successfully, so it is calculated on the server. With the way projectiles work on Graal, the detection has to be done on the client. If I had super bad lag and fired 40 bullets before the server even got the message, it would fire a wall of bullets that's pretty much undodgable and wipe you out. By putting a brief period of invulnerability after being hit, you can prevent the advantage laggers get by spamming walls of bullets.

Having to calculate the paths of thousands of bullets at a time would crash the server, so they can't do it the same as melee where it simply checks once if the player is in range rather than a bullet continuously 10 times a second(the client is capable 20 times a second, the server 10, but with extreme lag if done in massive amounts)

IMO you should only be able to shoot 5 bullets before getting a ping back from the server, if you're lagging that bad you shouldn't be able to spam 30 bullets every 10 seconds and be invincible to projectiles as well.

callimuc 04-11-2013 11:17 PM

maybe we can lower the timer, yet a timer is simply better imo so you wont insta die when people spam you with guns

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Posted by T-10a (Post 328485)
This is just unfortunate. Then again, the Era subforum has recently been filled with scam posts, it's nearly getting to the point where the Era PR's won't care about this subforum because of the amount of 'hurr durr i haz been scammed ban dis playa nao plox' spam, or 'Add Trading system plox' threads. I commend you for trying, however.

not only on graalians, often browsed through my pms aswell listening to ideas (dont always reply). i've also bee mentioning some stuff, but in the end the main changes arent up to me.


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Posted by Ghettoicedtea (Post 329120)
why? because im bringing up a thing that admins don't give a damn to fix?

personally i do give a damn about what to fix and what not


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Posted by Skill (Post 329229)
....

there are protections of when a bullet is hitting a wall/player, we dont have to check the position manually. those are also working perfectly on serverside. its just the bullets acting weird which is known generally within graals development.

Ghettoicedtea 04-12-2013 01:54 AM

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Posted by callimuc (Post 329304)
maybe we can lower the timer, yet a timer is simply better imo so you wont insta die when people spam you with guns

As i said lower the timer to .17 or .2 because i beleve the fastest rof in game is .22.


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