here are some I have been given before

view distance- nope ipad has even more

less lag.- no the fb client is incredibly inefficient because it runs in flash and the iPad is lagless.

bigger screen-once again the ipad...

better controls- while I find keyboard controls slower and less responsive, everyone seems to think they're op even though its the exact same thing except with physical pressing. Also you can use a wireless keyboard on an iPad so iOS can still use on.

finger in way of touchcontrols-using airplay lets you stream to a tv.  

Doesnt matter, iphone is still on bottom of the three.
Also, you obscure atleast 1/5 of the iphone screen with your fingers when trying to spar which if someones in the bottom left corner, your screwed.  

I have a wireless keyboard with my iPad and it doesn't work with Graal :/

Also, keyboards and always more responsive. I ****ing HATE the touchscreen controls on Graal. Other games seem alright but they tend to be just passable, but if I ever had a chance I'd use keyboard. One problem I notice a lot with touchscreens are that sometimes they're too sensitive. When you use a keyboard you hover over keys(for example arrow keys while gaming), so this becomes a habit. However hovering over the controls on an iPod/iPad results in a lot of accidental "brushes" where your fingers just lightly touch the screen, but registers a press anyways. Touchscreens have no way to detect pressure so it can't tell a gentle brush from a firm press, so this can't really be solved.

Either way, I found Graal to be the laziest in terms of implementing touch controls. There are many games out there that try to compensate for the cons of touchscreen gaming in various ways. For example, GTA3 creates an analog control whenever you touch the screen on the left side. Why? Because you can't feel buttons on a touchscreen, so it's hard to know if your thumb is actually correctly placed when you want to move, so they compensated in a way that works. However Graal doesn't apply any sort of creative process to work with the shortcomings. Instead they simply created GUI buttons and said "well, close enough!"

Also, Graal in Facebook runs at about the same as it does on my iPad2, and I don't really have a powerhorse of a machine.  

Posted by Dusty

I have a wireless keyboard with my iPad and it doesn't work with Graal :/

you need to be jailbroken and use an app to have it send touch events in certain areas with the arrow keys.

Posted by spades of feare

Doesnt matter, iphone is still on bottom of the three.
Also, you obscure atleast 1/5 of the iphone screen with your fingers when trying to spar which if someones in the bottom left corner, your screwed.

have you not heard of airplay???

Posted by Dusty

I have a wireless keyboard with my iPad and it doesn't work with Graal :/

Also, keyboards and always more responsive. I ****ing HATE the touchscreen controls on Graal. Other games seem alright but they tend to be just passable, but if I ever had a chance I'd use keyboard. One problem I notice a lot with touchscreens are that sometimes they're too sensitive. When you use a keyboard you hover over keys(for example arrow keys while gaming), so this becomes a habit. However hovering over the controls on an iPod/iPad results in a lot of accidental "brushes" where your fingers just lightly touch the screen, but registers a press anyways. Touchscreens have no way to detect pressure so it can't tell a gentle brush from a firm press, so this can't really be solved.

Either way, I found Graal to be the laziest in terms of implementing touch controls. There are many games out there that try to compensate for the cons of touchscreen gaming in various ways. For example, GTA3 creates an analog control whenever you touch the screen on the left side. Why? Because you can't feel buttons on a touchscreen, so it's hard to know if your thumb is actually correctly placed when you want to move, so they compensated in a way that works. However Graal doesn't apply any sort of creative process to work with the shortcomings. Instead they simply created GUI buttons and said "well, close enough!"

players use keyboards on iPad. not many but those who do would have the same "advantage" as pc players.  

Can a mod please put this guys spam all in one fourum? ty  

All I can think of is that pcs can lock their movement with the 1 key and strafe  

Posted by Skill

players use keyboards on iPad. not many but those who do would have the same "advantage" as pc players.

And they do. Anyone with VIP can play on Facebook and have an advantage. The whole "PC players shouldn't be able to play with iPhone players because they have a keyboard advantage" excuse went out the window as soon as they let Facebook players get on the iPhone server. I'm not denying it, their excuse is stupid.  

keyboard is much responsive to the iPhone touch controls.. try keep this in one thread :/

im doing economics this year and one of the terms ive learnt is "ceteris paribus" it means keeping all factors the same to keep it balanced/fair. having an advantage isnt the reason to why theyre not letting PC sparrers compete on iOS gst.. the point is PC/FB server isnt running on the same platform as iPod,iPhone and iPad.. they must keep all competitors running on the same operating system.  

Just like i said in your previous topic bout the spar gst (even though this came first.. Sorry): iOS does not refer to only the iPad but to the iPhone and iPod touch section of spar players... So you can now see some really clear advantages on the pc when you go against someone with an iPod touch or iPhone  

It has already stated but the PC keys are a lot more responsive compared to the small arrows on iOS. Despite Graal Facebook being based on Flash it, it's speed varies on different computers as some have less memory so they are significantly 'laggier'. This is definitely a key feature for this argument. In all honesty, you only need one valid reason and this is proven to be the one.

Clearest way to end this. Move on.  

If people have to complain so much about lagging, pc sparrers, and such; I believe it's better if themselves stop sparring.  

Posted by Skill

you need to be jailbroken and use an app to have it send touch events in certain areas with the arrow keys.

have you not heard of airplay???

players use keyboards on iPad. not many but those who do would have the same "advantage" as pc players.

What package would help that apparently and ummm no.... Im sorry but i havent sounds familiar though.  

Posted by Skill

here are some I have been given before

view distance- nope ipad has even more

less lag.- no the fb client is incredibly inefficient because it runs in flash and the iPad is lagless.

bigger screen-once again the ipad...

better controls- while I find keyboard controls slower and less responsive, everyone seems to think they're op even though its the exact same thing except with physical pressing. Also you can use a wireless keyboard on an iPad so iOS can still use on.

finger in way of touchcontrols-using airplay lets you stream to a tv.

There isn't one, it's a matter of perspective and preference.

Perspective wise, I find the keyboard easier to use then the touchscreen, I can even use an Xbox 360 controller on my PC through a USB If I want to feel more comfortable by easier means of control and customization.

My preference is obviously the PC due to the feel of the touchscreen.
I suppose the only proper argument is that the fact there's multiple platforms for the iDevices such as the iPhone, if you can legitimately spar on one of those, you're either someone with a lot of time on their hands, using an iDevice-Compatible Bluetooth/USB Keyboard or you're an eagle. Now with an iPad it's obviously different due to a larger resolution. I remember arguments of "processing power" being apart of the argument, but I believe it's now a 50/50 kind of reason (Having some merit, but not enough due to optimization)

So really, validity of reason is kind of hard to come to an agreement upon considering experiences had by the general community.

My point is; You're going to have a lot of trouble finding an appropriate answer to this one unless you somehow get the ability to test out the differences accurately and appropriately.

As a bonus, I've added my overall feelings on the subject by versus (Opinions, not entirely probable facts):

iPad vs PC: Fair game to each other based on accessibility and same "edges"
iPhone vs PC: Slightly disadvantaged to someone who has more experience with touchscreen controls in general, otherwise to a beginner it's rather daunting and hindering to the experience due to visionary focus (Keeping your eye on the ball so to speak.)  

Posted by Froggy Krueger

All I can think of is that pcs can lock their movement with the 1 key and strafe

iPads can connect to keyboards

Posted by Maikeru

Just like i said in your previous topic bout the spar gst (even though this came first.. Sorry): iOS does not refer to only the iPad but to the iPhone and iPod touch section of spar players... So you can now see some really clear advantages on the pc when you go against someone with an iPod touch or iPhone

I see but my point is why should you allow one system with an "advantage" and not another system with the same ones.

Posted by Elusive

It has already stated but the PC keys are a lot more responsive compared to the small arrows on iOS. Despite Graal Facebook being based on Flash it, it's speed varies on different computers as some have less memory so they are significantly 'laggier'. This is definitely a key feature for this argument. In all honesty, you only need one valid reason and this is proven to be the one.

Clearest way to end this. Move on.

iPad 2 and 3 do not lag at all on graal.  

I disagree, when I go on PC I am somewhat decent at sparring, Pop is a spar beast, and everyone else I know just does better...