Right away: do you think she should have been recommended/should be indicted? Why? Also, do you honestly think your belief is based on the facts, rather than your political biases for/against Hillary Clinton?

After watching the Comey testimony for a while now, I thought this thread would be a good idea. I find it funmy that every Republican is questioning Comey's choices, while every Democrat is praising him for doing his job. It's entertaining. I don't think she should have been indicted based on the information I've been seen. I think Comey worded it best when he said if an FBI agent did exactly what Hillary Clinton did, and was careless with classified information, that they would have faced repercussions within their job, but would not have been criminally charged. I'm just really sick of the opinions being divided 50/50 on this issue based on political views. The law is generally straightforward, as are the facts of the case. I, nor do most of the people who comment on the case know all the facts, but we are provided with enough to understand what happened, and what the law says. I can only imagine if she had been recommended for indictment, all the Republicans would be praising Comey right now for doing his job, while all the Democrats would be questioning his political motives.  

Posted by PigParty

Right away: do you think she should have been recommended/should be indicted?

Absolutely, and if she didn't then she wouldn't have lied so generously through her entire account of what she claims happened.

Posted by PigParty

Why?

I'm watching Comey take questions on Capitol Hill right now, and he said he came to his decision based on finding no "criminal negligence or intent." Apparently, he acknowledges that what she did was illegal yet she didn't intend to do it. Ignorance of the law has never given anyone amnesty.

It seems as if he thinks it works this way:
Negligent: You are going 60mph in a 40mph speed zone, but your claim is that you were in a rush to work.
Not negligent: You are going 60mph in a 40mph speed zone, but your claim is that you didn't know it was wrong.  

She mishandled classified information. Her Top Secret security clearance ought to be revoked thus making her ineligible to run as President of the United States.

Do that in my line of work and you'd be looking at being charged + disciplinary action.  

Posted by Thallen

Absolutely, and if she didn't then she wouldn't have lied so generously through her entire account of what actually happened.


I'm watching Comey take questions on Capitol Hill right now, and he said he came to his decision based on finding no "criminal negligence or intent." Apparently, he acknowledges that what she did was illegal yet she didn't intend to do it. Ignorance of the law has never given anyone amnesty.

It seems as if he thinks it works this way:
Negligent: You are going 60mph in a 40mph speed zone, but your claim is that you were in a rush to work.
Not negligent: You are going 60mph in a 40mph speed zone, but your claim is that you didn't know it was wrong.

As he said, though, you can't compare petty crimes to this situation. There's no doubt Hillary Clinton lied, and that's something everyone should consider when they vote, but her lying at that point in time really plays no part into the investigation on her. I guess I view it as whether or not the penalties for her carelessness rises to criminal charges, or whether she (should have) simply faced repercussions within her job. If you mishandle money at your job, you won't be criminally charged, but you may lose your job, get suspended, docked pay, or whatever. I very much dislike Hillary Clinton, but I don't believe based on what I know that she should be indicted.

Posted by TD*

She mishandled classified information. Her Top Secret security clearance ought to be revoked thus making her ineligible to run as President of the United States.

Do that in my line of work and you'd be looking at being charged + disciplinary action.

I agree that a repercussion lile that should be considered. I also think that any government official should be held to a much higher standard since they have much more power and affect the lives of many. So her carelessness shouldn't be tolerated, nor should the carelessness of any politician.  

Posted by PigParty

As he said, though, you can't compare petty crimes to this situation. There's no doubt Hillary Clinton lied, and that's something everyone should consider when they vote, but her lying at that point in time really plays no part into the investigation on her. I guess I view it as whether or not the penalties for her carelessness rises to criminal charges, or whether she (should have) simply faced repercussions within her job. If you mishandle money at your job, you won't be criminally charged, but you may lose your job, get suspended, docked pay, or whatever. I very much dislike Hillary Clinton, but I don't believe based on what I know that she should be indicted.

If that's your view on the situation then at the very least she should be disqualified from running for any office in the United States. We can't have a stupid and negligent person winning a general election. She makes jokes about the situation and laughs off questioning. The fact that disqualification isn't being seriously discussed and suggested shows that some people are just too far above the law. If the guy on the other side wasn't Donald Trump, I think this would all be being handled differently.  

Posted by Thallen

If that's your view on the situation then at the very least she should be disqualified from running for any office in the United States. We can't have a stupid and negligent person winning a general election. She makes jokes about the situation and laughs off questioning. The fact that disqualification isn't being seriously discussed and suggested shows that some people are just too far above the law. If the guy on the other side wasn't Donald Trump, I think this would all be being handled differently.

When it comes to politics, it's a whole different ball game. She can and should be held accountable to every action she takes. I agree, if Trump wasn't the other option, the election would probably be an easy win for Republicans. What I think a gross negligence charge would have been good for was the Benghazi incident, but not with the emails.  

It's the peoples vote, and if they want our sink to ship, so be it.  

Posted by Yog

It's the peoples vote, and if they want our sink to ship, so be it.

 

The fact that Hillary thinks she can win this election by pulling the woman card over and over again is appalling let alone the fact that she's practically a criminal.  

A few highlights from today:

• Hillary deemed "not sophisticated enough" to know that the "(c)" marking represents a classified document
• Comey "not going to answer" if Clinton's foundation was involved in this
• Comey acknowledging that Clinton was not under oath when questioned
• ??? (O.o) ???

Meanwhile, somewhere in the world:

 

Posted by Yog

It's the peoples vote, and if they want our sink to ship, so be it.

well when the voting system is rigged....  

when you're the wife of a former president you can pretty much act like you're a strong independent woman who dont need no patriarchal system to keep her down  

Posted by Thallen

Spoiler

A few highlights from today:

• Hillary deemed "not sophisticated enough" to know that the "(c)" marking represents a classified document
• Comey "not going to answer" if Clinton's foundation was involved in this
• Comey acknowledging that Clinton was not under oath when questioned
• ??? (O.o) ???

Meanwhile, somewhere in the world:

She doesn't need to be under oath since she was talking to the FBI, and lying to them is illegal.  

Posted by PigParty

She doesn't need to be under oath since she was talking to the FBI, and lying to them is illegal.

Yeah, but if she's stupid enough to:

• not know that "(c)" represents a classified document
• not know that you shouldn't use your government email on your personal phone
• not know that having a server on guarded property doesn't protect it from being hacked

then I'm willing to bet that she doesn't know that lying to the FBI is illegal. At this point, I actually think she could get away with lying to them by using that excuse.  

she is blonde what can you expect