Why The Pc client serves have less players

Sardon · 03-02-2015

hello

I have been wondering why pc client servers have a sad amount of players
i came up with this after playing around on some servers

I dont play client often but i usualy get on valikorlia or classic pc
I am pretty much a noob at the other servers on client

I am thinking of getting serious on un though
Anyway let me begin

One of the reasons is the platforms it runs on which you probaly all thaught was the only reason but i have found out something interesting

You see its the community that play these games that make their playercount low
not pointing any fingers im just saying in general
played some more zodiac and un and noticed this more and more

Nobody gives a crap about a new player nobody is willing to chat with one help or let them live the community is just not welcoming at all
Even if those two servers are awsome the community is not towards new players , the community has a majority of players with high levels and such and rarely new people comming in they dont really think about new players
The servers are kinda doomed in a sense that the playercount may only drop
Some servers are welcoming but most are not

But anyway each server has their issues
What are your thaughts on my theory?

Fysez · 03-02-2015

Posted by Sardon

hello

I have been wondering why pc client servers have a sad amount of players
i came up with this after playing around on some servers

I dont play client often but i usualy get on valikorlia or classic pc
I am pretty much a noob at the other servers on client

I am thinking of getting serious on un though
Anyway let me begin

One of the reasons is the platforms it runs on which you probaly all thaught was the only reason but i have found out something interesting

You see its the community that play these games that make their playercount low
not pointing any fingers im just saying in general
played some more zodiac and un and noticed this more and more

Nobody gives a crap about a new player nobody is willing to chat with one help or let them live the community is just not welcoming at all
Even if those two servers are awsome the community is not towards new players , the community has a majority of players with high levels and such and rarely new people comming in they dont really think about new players
The servers are kinda doomed in a sense that the playercount may only drop
Some servers are welcoming but most are not

But anyway each server has their issues
What are your thaughts on my theory?

I think the problem is PC.
No one, anymore, wants to buy a PC to play a 2D game. That's what we have mobile devices for.
There's already a mobile version, so what's the point opening your laptop or starting your computer to play an old-fashioned game?
It's much more convenient playing Graal on a mobile device than a PC client.

As for your theory with new players, I don't see that being any issue at all. iOS servers get new players all the time, and no one will help anyone.
On PC, the worst that can happen is someone ignoring you. On mobile, you'll usually ask "how do I do this quest?" And get a reply "in ur moms butt lelel"

The PC servers get lower amounts of players because no one is going to take 5 minutes starting a large machine to play a 2D game.

MrSimons · 03-02-2015

Posted by Fysez

I think the problem is PC.
No one, anymore, wants to buy a PC to play a 2D game. That's what we have mobile devices for.
There's already a mobile version, so what's the point opening your laptop or starting your computer to play an old-fashioned game?
It's much more convenient playing Graal on a mobile device than a PC client.

As for your theory with new players, I don't see that being any issue at all. iOS servers get new players all the time, and no one will help anyone.
On PC, the worst that can happen is someone ignoring you. On mobile, you'll usually ask "how do I do this quest?" And get a reply "in ur moms butt lelel"

The PC servers get lower amounts of players because no one is going to take 5 minutes starting a large machine to play a 2D game.

PokeMMO
MapleStory
Terraria
the hundreds of old games that have PC emulators.

Theres a ton of people who love old fashioned games.

kenthefruit · 03-02-2015

The problem is most of the Mobile Community doesn't even know what Graal PC is, and if they do they don't know what or how to play it because it's fairly different from the device servers. Also I just started seriously playing UN about a month or two ago and have already made new friends on there as well as becoming a part of that community. Yes being new on the PC servers is discouraging, but like any other game you eventually become comfortable.

Astram · 03-02-2015

I'm certain that the issue is due to a lack of exposure. After working on Minecraft development for numerous years, one will realize how to effectively present your server to the public. This is through YouTubers! YouTubers is the key that helped me populate a server I helped create which was just one of the 30 million servers out there, into a server that constantly fosters 30,000 players on at all time.

Do you think that YouTubers just go on Minecraft and make videos of servers for free? Well you're absolutely wrong, they might ask for $1,000-$5,000 per video depending on their popularity. YouTubers are pretty greedy since they get ad revenues on top of that as well. If Graal would be willing to pay this amount I do have connections with some of the most popular YouTubers who would be willing to shoot video of Graal for the right price. I know for a fact that if they went through with this Graal would have hundreds-thousands of new players.

The Doctor · 03-02-2015

Posted by Josh-Kun

Boohoo cry me a river

You are like my least favorite person on this forum

Cookie Xanadu · 03-02-2015

I can agree that from what I've seen over the years, the community is toxic for most every server. The only one I haven't seen to be toxic is iZone. I could be wrong on that, but I've seen a lot of newbies get help and the amount of trash talking was fairly low.

Thallen · 03-02-2015

there's dozens of reasons why but the topmost reason is crystal clear and it's because this game's management has absolutely no idea what they're doing from an administrative and marketing perspective

they are actually idiots and have never realized the potential to grow and monetize the game
Graal could have been as successful as Minecraft if handled properly, I really don't doubt this at all

it's easy to criticize, but after 16 years and never seeing a good marketing campaign, a Facebook ad, never seeing paid developers, never seeing them actually online and monitoring their game, it becomes quite obvious

I draw the comparison between Minecraft and Graal because of the similarities and benefits it brings the developers of both - Graal has the leisure of never actually needing to develop content, just like Minecraft, and the community can and will push the game to really interesting levels if the management allows it
when Era was released, alarms should have immediately went off in the brains of game management pf "wow, Graal, as a game engine, is really powerful and cool -through the level editor and GScript, people can actually create just about anything they want"

but no, they are idiots and allowed their game to fizzle out
iClassic is a core map that has existed for more years than many of you have been alive, they put in very little effort and depend entirely on the community
at this point, I'm pretty convinced that they are afraid of money and success

GOAT · 03-02-2015

Posted by Toad

If Graal would be willing to pay this amount I do have connections with some of the most popular YouTubers who would be willing to shoot video of Graal for the right price. I know for a fact that if they went through with this Graal would have hundreds-thousands of new players.

this is what graal thinks about your business proposal

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...6&postcount=62

The PC community sucks because it's filled with bitter old dudes. The major reason why players don't jump to the PC client is because there's no server worth making the jump and the accessibility from having a game in your phone.

I also don't think Graal is the type of game that would attract a real PC gamer(the good ones)

MysticalDragon · 03-03-2015

Posted by Thallen

there's dozens of reasons why but the topmost reason is crystal clear and it's because this game's management has absolutely no idea what they're doing from an administrative and marketing perspective

they are actually idiots and have never realized the potential to grow and monetize the game
Graal could have been as successful as Minecraft if handled properly, I really don't doubt this at all

it's easy to criticize, but after 16 years and never seeing a good marketing campaign, a Facebook ad, never seeing paid developers, never seeing them actually online and monitoring their game, it becomes quite obvious

I draw the comparison between Minecraft and Graal because of the similarities and benefits it brings the developers of both - Graal has the leisure of never actually needing to develop content, just like Minecraft, and the community can and will push the game to really interesting levels if the management allows it
when Era was released, alarms should have immediately went off in the brains of game management pf "wow, Graal, as a game engine, is really powerful and cool -through the level editor and GScript, people can actually create just about anything they want"

but no, they are idiots and allowed their game to fizzle out
iClassic is a core map that has existed for more years than many of you have been alive, they put in very little effort and depend entirely on the community
at this point, I'm pretty convinced that they are afraid of money and success

The few things I bolded, prove you have no idea what your talking about. Their is plenty of paid developers, their is plenty of staff the monitor the game aswell as in game reporting tools to follow up on. Maybe you should stop speculating, and find out some true facts. Only thing i agree with you is the horrible marketing campaign, and that's probably the only thing you said that was true.

Crono · 03-03-2015

Posted by MysticalDragon

The few things I bolded, prove you have no idea what your talking about. Their is plenty of paid developers, their is plenty of staff the monitor the game aswell as in game reporting tools to follow up on. Maybe you should stop speculating, and find out some true facts. Only thing i agree with you is the horrible marketing campaign, and that's probably the only thing you said that was true.

Developers didn't really get paid back then though.

Elk · 03-03-2015

what currency is being taken into consideration when talking about paid staffs?

gralat or USD

Señor Albonio · 03-03-2015

Posted by The Doctor

You are like my least favorite person on this forum

lmao Josh is bae <3

Distorted · 03-03-2015

Posted by Sardon

hello

I have been wondering why pc client servers have a sad amount of players
i came up with this after playing around on some servers

I dont play client often but i usualy get on valikorlia or classic pc
I am pretty much a noob at the other servers on client

I am thinking of getting serious on un though
Anyway let me begin

One of the reasons is the platforms it runs on which you probaly all thaught was the only reason but i have found out something interesting

You see its the community that play these games that make their playercount low
not pointing any fingers im just saying in general
played some more zodiac and un and noticed this more and more

Nobody gives a crap about a new player nobody is willing to chat with one help or let them live the community is just not welcoming at all
Even if those two servers are awsome the community is not towards new players , the community has a majority of players with high levels and such and rarely new people comming in they dont really think about new players
The servers are kinda doomed in a sense that the playercount may only drop
Some servers are welcoming but most are not

But anyway each server has their issues
What are your thaughts on my theory?

lol. noob.

Hugop · 03-03-2015

In 2015 we only use PC to type fast and play games that are longer than 1GB. Well most ones

By the way, making ads isnt that much, like 10$/year for some search engines ads.

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Sardon Deus Vult Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Le Canada Posts: 3,811	Why The Pc client serves have less players hello I have been wondering why pc client servers have a sad amount of players i came up with this after playing around on some servers I dont play client often but i usualy get on valikorlia or classic pc I am pretty much a noob at the other servers on client I am thinking of getting serious on un though Anyway let me begin One of the reasons is the platforms it runs on which you probaly all thaught was the only reason but i have found out something interesting You see its the community that play these games that make their playercount low not pointing any fingers im just saying in general played some more zodiac and un and noticed this more and more Nobody gives a crap about a new player nobody is willing to chat with one help or let them live the community is just not welcoming at all Even if those two servers are awsome the community is not towards new players , the community has a majority of players with high levels and such and rarely new people comming in they dont really think about new players The servers are kinda doomed in a sense that the playercount may only drop Some servers are welcoming but most are not But anyway each server has their issues What are your thaughts on my theory?

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kenthefruit 🍇🍏🍋🍊🍒 Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,330	The problem is most of the Mobile Community doesn't even know what Graal PC is, and if they do they don't know what or how to play it because it's fairly different from the device servers. Also I just started seriously playing UN about a month or two ago and have already made new friends on there as well as becoming a part of that community. Yes being new on the PC servers is discouraging, but like any other game you eventually become comfortable.

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Astram Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 476	I'm certain that the issue is due to a lack of exposure. After working on Minecraft development for numerous years, one will realize how to effectively present your server to the public. This is through YouTubers! YouTubers is the key that helped me populate a server I helped create which was just one of the 30 million servers out there, into a server that constantly fosters 30,000 players on at all time. Do you think that YouTubers just go on Minecraft and make videos of servers for free? Well you're absolutely wrong, they might ask for $1,000-$5,000 per video depending on their popularity. YouTubers are pretty greedy since they get ad revenues on top of that as well. If Graal would be willing to pay this amount I do have connections with some of the most popular YouTubers who would be willing to shoot video of Graal for the right price. I know for a fact that if they went through with this Graal would have hundreds-thousands of new players.

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Cookie Xanadu Uguu~ Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Canada, NS Posts: 1,046	I can agree that from what I've seen over the years, the community is toxic for most every server. The only one I haven't seen to be toxic is iZone. I could be wrong on that, but I've seen a lot of newbies get help and the amount of trash talking was fairly low.

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	there's dozens of reasons why but the topmost reason is crystal clear and it's because this game's management has absolutely no idea what they're doing from an administrative and marketing perspective they are actually idiots and have never realized the potential to grow and monetize the game Graal could have been as successful as Minecraft if handled properly, I really don't doubt this at all it's easy to criticize, but after 16 years and never seeing a good marketing campaign, a Facebook ad, never seeing paid developers, never seeing them actually online and monitoring their game, it becomes quite obvious I draw the comparison between Minecraft and Graal because of the similarities and benefits it brings the developers of both - Graal has the leisure of never actually needing to develop content, just like Minecraft, and the community can and will push the game to really interesting levels if the management allows it when Era was released, alarms should have immediately went off in the brains of game management pf "wow, Graal, as a game engine, is really powerful and cool -through the level editor and GScript, people can actually create just about anything they want" but no, they are idiots and allowed their game to fizzle out iClassic is a core map that has existed for more years than many of you have been alive, they put in very little effort and depend entirely on the community at this point, I'm pretty convinced that they are afraid of money and success

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Elk Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Land of Music Posts: 1,232	what currency is being taken into consideration when talking about paid staffs? gralat or USD

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Hugop Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 804	In 2015 we only use PC to type fast and play games that are longer than 1GB. Well most ones By the way, making ads isnt that much, like 10$/year for some search engines ads.