Posted by Platinum

Yes, but the price of the items would stay the same, eg a 100 ZC hat would become 100 Graal coins. This effectively would triple prices and expenditure, and decrease the amount of ZCs/GCs in circulation

Or you could just increase the price of items, which is exactly what inflation causes, which wouldn't solve anything.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

*untradable currency*

Also adding more items would work, people are trying to charge 20k for flame wings and 100k (like wtf) for pulse sniper. Adding more of these will lower the value.

This is a good idea, adding more items will decrease zc, as long as those items aren't tradeable. What if zc was cut off from production indefinitely, and the new currency is exchangeable 3:1, so you pay 3 zc for 1 zc, BUT you are still able to trade with the new currency, and items are now payed for with gc at that same 3:1 rate, along with the newly created items? This would quickly drain zc, allowing the demand for zc AND gc to go up, creating more competition, making things much cheaper. That is, until zc goes out, and gc would now dominate in a stabilized manner that won't go out of control like zc did.

This is a twist to my other proposal, which likely would not cause much havoc. Unless you're a butthurt business man who doesn't know the first thing of an economy.  

Posted by Gitaz

I'm all for hiring a trade admin to monitor the economy hands on. However, items and hats will never be rare if staff are just giving **** out to their bestfriends. I have a list of staff that I have witnessed give out event hats.

Trade Tables Admin = Support Admin, Manager, Zone Patrol Admin, Server Admin.
They can easy just check logs.

"I have a list of staff that I have witnessed give out event hats."
You need solid picture proof of it happening.

Posted by GenoIndeed

Adding a new untradable currency goes along with what i said about working the game around it. I have ideas for new zc and new currency items, along with how to regulate the trade economy.

I recall saying this, but i guess coming from me sounds like a bad idea right?
(Haters)  

Posted by TWIZ

Why would players voluntarily choose to pay 3 zc for one gc, if the price of a melee is 100 zc or 100 gc? This would not work.

Psychology gets the best of an economy.

Ah, I probably didn't word my OG post well. The price would change from 100 ZC to 100 GC, and then players would have to convert their 3 ZC to 1 GC for it to be useful.
Therefore ZC would be made useless and GC could be controlled more under the pretence that it is a new currency despite it actually being used for ZC products.

Posted by TWIZ

This is a good idea, adding more items will decrease zc, as long as those items aren't tradeable. What if zc was cut off from production indefinitely, and the new currency is exchangeable 3:1, so you pay 3 zc for 1 zc, BUT you are still able to trade with the new currency, and items are now payed for with gc at that same 3:1 rate, along with the newly created items? This would quickly drain zc, allowing the demand for zc AND gc to go up, creating more competition, making things much cheaper. That is, until zc goes out, and gc would now dominate in a stabilized manner that won't go out of control like zc did.

This is a twist to my other proposal, which likely would not cause much havoc. Unless you're a butthurt business man who doesn't know the first thing of an economy.

That could work!

Posted by Yog

Or you could just increase the price of items, which is exactly what inflation causes, which wouldn't solve anything.

Which is why I proposed introducing a new currency

Also, I'd like to mention that we need more unlimited purchases. EG Grenades, Food, etc. ZC production is unlimited (to get) and the things it can buy are limited. Therefore it's bound to get out if control if all the purchases can only be done once and missions/events/etc. can be done forever  

*jumped onto page 7*for some reason but @Ms comment and staff being awful, you was litrally worst..for reason of being high powered 12year old and doing fk all with it but moaning at others work yet making none yourself 'I'm working on other projects'-let me guess a tileset that you never did also..no wonder you left when majority of the gfx people at the time abandoned you so you'd have to work or leave. blue haired knob.  

Posted by G Fatal

*jumped onto page 7*for some reason but @Ms comment and staff being awful, you was litrally worst..for reason of being high powered 12year old and doing fk all with it but moaning at others work yet making none yourself 'I'm working on other projects'-let me guess a tileset that you never did also..no wonder you left when majority of the gfx people at the time abandoned you so you'd have to work or leave. blue haired knob.

eyyy take it easy on the rekking  

Posted by Platinum

Ah, I probably didn't word my OG post well. The price would change from 100 ZC to 100 GC, and then players would have to convert their 3 ZC to 1 GC for it to be useful.
Therefore ZC would be made useless and GC could be controlled more under the pretence that it is a new currency despite it actually being used for ZC products.


That could work!

I'll try talking to Alex or someone else to pitch that idea, though it probably won't be considered anyway.  

How to ruin server: add more currency.

Js.

And don't even tell me that it would be more balanced since those items aren't tradeable. Look at old west.

Instead everybody stock piles the thing you trade for the new currency and then those prices increase like hell.

I smh, you don't add things to solve a problem. You rearrange it or if all be single out the one screw up and isolate it...

Unless it's logs. Then you would add to the problem...or if it's LCM... Orrrrr if it's like finding the area of a spring between each pitch without a measuring tool... Then yes, you would indeed add to the problem.

Actually no. To find your pitch distance including the springs you could just count the revs and the height. Or if you really want to be technical you could weigh it, cut off exactly one ring... Then find that density, compare it, use the height to isolate the X... Etc etc.

Actually that's all wrong^ somebody smart will know why.(hint you wouldn't need to cut the rev) For everyone else continue thinking that what I said was right... Because it was.  

Posted by Platinum

Which is why I proposed introducing a new currency

To replace an already existing one. May as well just rename Zone Coin. It would have the same effect.  

Posted by Yog

To replace an already existing one. May as well just rename Zone Coin. It would have the same effect.

Did you read my post earlier? Taking that route, changing the name is essential to the idea's success. Also, it isn't replacing it, either. ZC will still exist, just not in large amounts as it is now, until the very last coin gets spent on GC (or whatever it be named).

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

How to ruin server: add more currency.

Js.

And don't even tell me that it would be more balanced since those items aren't tradeable. Look at old west.

Instead everybody stock piles the thing you trade for the new currency and then those prices increase like hell.

I smh, you don't add things to solve a problem. You rearrange it or if all be single out the one screw up and isolate it...

Unless it's logs. Then you would add to the problem...or if it's LCM... Orrrrr if it's like finding the area of a spring between each pitch without a measuring tool... Then yes, you would indeed add to the problem.

Actually no. To find your pitch distance including the springs you could just count the revs and the height. Or if you really want to be technical you could weigh it, cut off exactly one ring... Then find that density, compare it, use the height to isolate the X... Etc etc.

Actually that's all wrong^ somebody smart will know why.(hint you wouldn't need to cut the rev) For everyone else continue thinking that what I said was right... Because it was.

If you disagree with what I said earlier, give me specific explanations as to why it will not work, because simply saying "you don't add things to solve a problem," isn't solving a problem. A generalization like that does not help one bit.

Also, if the economy sucks, then most likely it will affect gameplay, and ultimately the general quality of the server.  

Posted by TWIZ

Did you read my post earlier? Taking that route, changing the name is essential to the idea's success.



If you disagree with what I said earlier, give me specific explanations as to why it will not work, because simply saying "you don't add things to solve a problem," isn't solving a problem.

Delete current ZC- rip players who have like 1B

Add new ZC- people will be angry with scams since nobody has a set price, and nobody wants to be that guy that sets a huge price point in the beginning, or the guy that sets low standards and everyone else gets mad at since now people only buy for that price.

It also ruins the tradition. Like Zone has a good structure. It just needs windows and maybe a room extension here and there. But our house is solid. Take out an essential room like trading and... It falls. Remember when they decided to install the new map room behind the kitchen(okay I'll stop with this house analogy). Not only did some people NOT like it, some people STILL prefer the old map. And we lost a lot of players since then. Why? Well think about timing as well. Most players only have time during the breaks/weekends. Don't change things when it's not a big universal break. People come on then, then everything changes, lose drive to play entirely.

It would also cause tons of backlash. Most people on zone trade. It's what they do. I would say at least 1/9 of us online are in the trade center at any given time. To relearn something would just... Na.

America is on debt and our government is nothing to what the framers intended. Doesn't mean we should just change into something else... Fix the dang problem.

What's the problem?

Nothing.

Fr.

I've never heard a REGULAR player say to me "oh you know what sucks... How zone is fair and its enjoy able having competition and how it's not like Clash of Clans that takes 5ever to change something. God I wish we just got rid of trading because it ruins the game!"

Like stop thinking about this from an executive view.

Trading works.

Older players get advantages in it so it's not necessarily an even game for new players but it's also not a hard one to master.

Remember when hats were disabled? Less people traded, and people roared.

Like ZC works.

Don't change it.

Don't nerf it.

Add more items.

Make these items weaker.

Make them go for those items.

Done.

Set.

Like fr.

Graal is a player community, trading simplicity is what attracts players more than anything on zone if I had to guess. Without new players the server would die even more.

Like fr.

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Jk. I'm not that lam... Like fr.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Delete current ZC- rip players who have like 1B

Add new ZC- people will be angry with scams since nobody has a set price, and nobody wants to be that guy that sets a huge price point in the beginning, or the guy that sets low standards and everyone else gets mad at since now people only buy for that price.

It also ruins the tradition. Like Zone has a good structure. It just needs windows and maybe a room extension here and there. But our house is solid. Take out an essential room like trading and... It falls. Remember when they decided to install the new map room behind the kitchen(okay I'll stop with this house analogy). Not only did some people NOT like it, some people STILL prefer the old map. And we lost a lot of players since then. Why? Well think about timing as well. Most players only have time during the breaks/weekends. Don't change things when it's not a big universal break. People come on then, then everything changes, lose drive to play entirely.

It would also cause tons of backlash. Most people on zone trade. It's what they do. I would say at least 1/9 of us online are in the trade center at any given time. To relearn something would just... Na.

America is on debt and our government is nothing to what the framers intended. Doesn't mean we should just change into something else... Fix the dang problem.

What's the problem?

Nothing.

Fr.

I've never heard a REGULAR player say to me "oh you know what sucks... How zone is fair and its enjoy able having competition and how it's not like Clash of Clans that takes 5ever to change something. God I wish we just got rid of trading because it ruins the game!"

Like stop thinking about this from an executive view.

Trading works.

Older players get advantages in it so it's not necessarily an even game for new players but it's also not a hard one to master.

Remember when hats were disabled? Less people traded, and people roared.

Like ZC works.

Don't change it.

Don't nerf it.

Add more items.

Make these items weaker.

Make them go for those items.

Done.

Set.

Like fr.

Graal is a player community, trading simplicity is what attracts players more than anything on zone if I had to guess. Without new players the server would die even more.

Like fr.

Like fr.

I'm going to keep writing like fr ten more times just to emphasize my point.

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Jk. I'm not that lam... Like fr.

You're starting to contradict yourself. First, we were adding things, which according to your logic is a bad thing, and now you're implying that we are removing something? Adding a new currency isn't confusing. It's no different than introducing something like graalium. Supply and demand is a subconscious process, and doesn't require players to relearn anything. This isn't an executive standpoint, it's an economic standpoint.

You must not understand. I clearly explained how it would spawn more competition in trading.  

Posted by TWIZ

You're starting to contradict yourself. First, we were adding things, which according to your logic is a bad thing, and now you're implying that we are removing something? Adding a new currency isn't confusing. It's no different than introducing something like graalium. Supply and demand is a subconscious process, and doesn't require players to relearn anything. This isn't an executive standpoint, it's an economic standpoint.

Na it's not a contradiction.

You're removing our current system and adding the new currency.

And no, it actually would screw up a lot of things m8.

Adding in a gun or something tangible(or you get the idea) is a one second "oh that's new" moment. Adding in a whole system, that can be read as two ways. Oh that's new that the staff added. And then there's the "oh that's new. Oh now there's a totally new trading ecosystem where ZC itself costs more because people want ZC to trade to this new currency"

m8 ask anyone who's been away for over 5 months, learning the trading ecosystem isnt something you pick up in a day.

And na.

This whole thing has been an executive opinion.

I dare you stand outside of spawn asking for ideas about changes. I can promise you that 99/1000000000000000000000000000000 people will say that there needs to be a new currency.

Like fr. Yes there's a curve to where things should be added when they aren't needed, but those shouldn't be game altering things.

Let's just make a list of things that people behind the scenes talked about and did that ruined the game and our player count

Removing In Game Forums(thanks unixmad. You're the best)
Nerfing Rippers(buff these back up Geno)
Getting rid of skybases(yea no, idc what you say. For an unofficial petition that we spent only a week doing during whenever I was on, 70 signatures for a game that has about 400people on when I am(and roughly they were the same people, and some people I never bothered to ask since they were noobs... Or they had me blocked D; ) that does show some actual proof that players were unhappy. Don't even get me arguing about skybases mk)
No hat trades
Major Map change
Major Map change 2

Like none of these ended well. Like learn from your mistakes.

The system works.

Allow it.

^yo anyone watch the herd? Amazing show.  

Along with putting more items into circulation, the zc have to end up somewhere, which is why i think removing gun trading, adding new zc items, and another untradable currency with items that are better than the zc and shop items might work. But itll require a lot of rebalancing with the guns to do correctly. A major issue trading had made is that high end stuff are too easy to get, so i think with the addition of 100hp, take the guns down a notch, replace the rippers/rail tier with the new currency's items, and anything stronger would be for pk/spar prize rooms.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

Along with putting more items into circulation, the zc have to end up somewhere, which is why i think removing gun trading, adding new zc items, and another untradable currency with items that are better than the zc and shop items might work. But itll require a lot of rebalancing with the guns to do correctly. A major issue trading had made is that high end stuff are too easy to get, so i think with the addition of 100hp, take the guns down a notch, replace the rippers/rail tier with the new currency's items, and anything stronger would be for pk/spar prize rooms.

Again, instead of focusing on NEW players let's try not to screw over all the CURRENT players mk<3 much love, all current players.

PS, from the Players union we all agree that by removing any aspect of trading at this point would be unfair to all. That's what makes trading so fun, collecting guns(for me melees) and some of them are useful. For example I would have never gotten the ghost rifle at all since I wasn't around when it was out. My favorite gun since its spammy. Js. We vow to all quit if done. Mk.

What's better m8s, pleasing the audience you have- or trying to please the audience you may might possibly in the future maybe get? Mk. Mk.