Posted by Fulgore

I continue giving you reasons and you just go "first time I've heard of NGS, must be a myth"

That's what staff needs to be focused on, not the complaints of some unknown guy claiming he's from PC graal, and (Male), regardless of whether or not those complaints are spar-skill related or not.

Never did i claim to be in male? People to whom youre explaining my claims, saw me there.. Its that place where we didn't see you lol. Im sure they have a team for that anyways, as ive been staff on every server that you know exists.. Each of the staff groups are split into subdivisions to tackle out content in a timely fashion. They definitely have the resource and players like myself willing to provide help where we can. I could litterally level a room in 30mins or make a custom tileset for the new rooms with 3 days? Its not like thy would have to throw everything aside, it already existed.

& by the repetetive very little info youve given me about NGS still not convinced its doing anything for those of us who play more independently. Sounds like you dont know much about it either tbh.  

Posted by Ashur

Ya i said pc's scared of pc's not devices, just about the opposing to what you quoted. Read it again maybe?

Specifically..


So with every argument now running in circles, looks like theres no good reason to not have these rooms? Pc's generally afraid to ruin score facing other pcs, devices generally annoyed of pc's as the controls are computer biased given the unethical 12/8 advatage.

Aye, my b  

for the love of god shut up!!!  

Posted by GotenGraal

for the love of god shut up!!!

No you, the internets a big place brother. I didnt tell you which threads to read.

Equality and freedom didnt give up on you ;D  

Posted by Ashur

Im gonna agree with this. Cant speak for everyone but some of us actually have a life outside of the game.. so for those of us not afraid to spar on device & not training 8+ hours a day, would like to have more options. Let me straighten this out, aint nobody afraid of a pc, we just tired of sparring the same players who never log off.

Posted by Ashur

i specifically want to spar people at a similar level not the 10 graal hermits that stand around for 10+ hours daily.

Active iDev sparrers such as Sarah and Alexx(Examples from #1 and #2 on iDev leaderboard) who you claim "never log off" can just go and dominate the iDevice room anyways. The guys who actually spar PC players all the time will find players who complain like you easy, and you still won't be able to "spar people at a similar level". Those iDevice players are at a much higher level for not being afraid to face any and all opponents.

To sum up, the same skilled iDevice sparrers who spar and beat PC players regularly would dominate an iDevice room, and you'll be in the same exact position.

Spoiler

Pretty sure I just defeated your whole argument buddy.

 

Posted by Force

Active iDev sparrers such as Sarah and Alexx(Examples from #1 and #2 on iDev leaderboard) who you claim "never log off" can just go and dominate the iDevice room anyways. The guys who actually spar PC players all the time will find players who complain like you easy, and you still won't be able to "spar people at a similar level". Those iDevice players are at a much higher level for not being afraid to face any and all opponents.

To sum up, the same skilled iDevice sparrers who spar and beat PC players regularly would dominate an iDevice room, and you'll be in the same exact position.

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Pretty sure I just defeated your whole argument buddy.

Gj.. Now, if you sparred or looked at my ratio you would know i clearly dont mind taking a loss or 2.. i dont run away, selective spar or am particular choosy at all.. I walk in and click sword. Being dominated by unskilled pc kids with excess control gets annoying, but like you said i know it teaches me a lot so i take the hits. Instead of running away to pc for a ratio like most did. I would love to have my ass handed to me by someone with the same controllers. So no, i feel exactly the same. Its still not an argument about skill.. Again

If sarah and alexx were smart they would continue dominating the mixed streak room to keep their skill level up. You feel?  

lol @ jimbo saying I selective spar. I'm probably the only person who always tries to spar good people for pts.
Saying that I don't log off is crazy or else how am I in my 2nd Master year?

Personally I don't feel a difference between idev and pc players since I've always sparred in mixed but I think you feel all pcs are harder cause 90% of them actually speed like Carly rn.

Posted by Saeed

Maybe stop giving attention to irrelevant people who don't even spar? This will make the thread much cleaner.

Are you talking about yourself? You're pretty much irrelevant to spar.  

I think the funniest argument from the 'SEGREGATE SPARRERS BY DEVICE!!!' side is that PC players move faster than iDevs. Just goes to show they have absolutely no idea what they're rambling about.  

Posted by Sarah_

lol @ jimbo saying I selective spar. I'm probably the only person who always tries to spar good people for pts.
Saying that I don't log off is crazy or else how am I in my 2nd Master year?

Personally I don't feel a difference between idev and pc players since I've always sparred in mixed but I think you feel all pcs are harder cause 90% of them actually speed like Carly rn.



Are you talking about yourself? You're pretty much irrelevant to spar.

LOL Sarah shut up, please. You told Jarace to IP ban me, Idiot!! Of course you are not pro, your a delayer. I will tell Thall to teach how to spar! I don't know why they r talking about you when you are nobody XD. Keep traveling and get out now! #WeHateDelayers......  

Posted by Ashur

Ya i said pc's scared of pc's not devices
Pc's generally afraid to ruin score facing other pcs,

For someone who has claimed to been active in the spar community for years you sound really really dumb saying this.

The mixed room was always more popular even while the iDevice room existed.

Posted by Ashur

& by the repetetive very little info youve given me about NGS still not convinced its doing anything for those of us who play more independently.

Posted by Colin

and since you selectively read:


His post about NGS doesn't mean guild-sparring, he means players single sparring to earn guild points, which is a reason for people to single spar and will revive it because of competition

Posted by Ashur

Most of all i will not apologize for trying to give people a reason to play the game on the device it was intended for.

If it wasn't intended to be played on a PC they would not have a whole site dedicated to hosting it, so this makes no sense.  

Posted by Kosiris

I think the funniest argument from the 'SEGREGATE SPARRERS BY DEVICE!!!' side is that PC players move faster than iDevs. Just goes to show they have absolutely no idea what they're rambling about.

Already covered, segregate would be to remove mixed room not give another level of opportunity. Youre talking about sarah? Your whole team cant take her most days. What are you talking about, and who is they? All devices lol.

@Colin dude read before typing.. void legit apologized for making me repeat that bs. I said its intended for device.. obviously! Notice how theres a client server exact same place dedicated to pc called Classic this is iClassic as in.. You can figure that out. Right? You act as if iClassic even allowed pc for the first year or was it 2?  

Posted by Ashur

Gj.. Now, if you sparred or looked at my ratio you would know i clearly dont mind taking a loss or 2.. i dont run away, selective spar or am particular choosy at all.. I walk in and click sword. Being dominated by unskilled pc kids with excess control gets annoying,

...If they're unskilled, why are you getting dominated by them? That makes no sense. You're making a big deal out of these "excessive controls", but in reality it's not a big enough issue to merit them dominating you when they're unskilled as you say. If you're afraid to go head to head with a strafing opponent, then maybe adapt to it, mix up your style? That's what you do when facing different types of opponents, offensive, defensive, delayers, warpers, whatever else, you adapt like an actual skilled sparrer. Keep your distance from strafing opponents, that's all that's to it. Strafing can be easily taken advantage of if you aren't just running blindly at the opponent, letting them combo you. Get better lol.

If you don't mind taking a loss, don't run away, don't selectively spar, aren't choosy, then this thread wouldn't be a thing, now would it?

Posted by Ashur

but like you said i know it teaches me a lot so i take the hits. Instead of running away to pc for a ratio like most did. I would love to have my ass handed to me by someone with the same controllers. So no, i feel exactly the same. Its still not an argument about skill.. Again

If sarah and alexx were smart they would continue dominating the mixed streak room to keep their skill level up. You feel?

Then why don't you do that? Are you saying you aren't smart? Or you just don't want to be challenged and want easier wins for your win-loss ratio? It can't be both ways. If you're saying they should stay in the same rooms, despite being iDev, it makes it sound like you want them out of the way too. Just because you say they'd be smart to stay, it doesn't counter my argument that they can and would go dominate the iDev room. Maybe if they continuously gave you your "ass handed to you", you'd be able to see that your problem isn't actually with PC players, it's with losing in general.

Your arguments have been debunked and explained why to you. You don't have any valid reasons for re-adding a room where only certain players are allowed to spar in. That's all that's to it. You've lost the battle.

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Just like against the PC sparrers

 

Im not even that bad at sparring, i probably beat most of those arguing here including you lol. Im just able to see problems outside of myself. This aint about me, never was. I dont have to counter your argument that has nothing to do with the issue. Youre entire argument is based on my skill level as if you even know what that is. Sarah said herself she prefers mixed. I personally am not as good against pc so would feel more fair against my own kind. The reason i keep saying me is because thats the experience i have to offer as a point of reference. There is absolutely plenty enough difference to warrant the reinstatement of these rooms 4 directions worth.

Ill also add again, youre noone whom matters. Not someone that i see spar, guild spar, develop, brand new to forums, infact why are you here making no solid points then just blerting out "i win!!!". Guess youre back to the drawing board.  

Posted by Ashur

Im not even that bad at sparring, i probably beat most of those arguing here lol. Im just able to see problems outside of myself. This aint about me, never was. I dont have to counter your argument that has nothing to do with the issue. Sarah said herself she prefers mixed. I personally am not as good against pc so would feel more fair against my own kind. The reason i keep saying me is because thats the experience i have to offer as a point of reference. There is absolutely plenty enough difference to warrant the reinstatement of these rooms 4 directions worth.

Ill also add again, youre noone whom matters. Not someone that i see spar, guild spar, develop, infact why are you here making no solid points then just blerting out "i win!!!". Guess youre back to the drawing board.

I did win though.

Also, check what I bolded, that's a contradiction.

Your argument is basically "I want an iDevice room and I should get it because freedom."

People have already countered all of your arguments. The iDevice room was removed for a reason, it wasn't just done on a whim. I can go ahead and say there should be a separate room for Android players instead. Or continental rooms. Or any number of things that separate the playerbase, and no one can prove me wrong because "I should have the freedom to choose what type of players I spar with."

Spoiler

Adds another notch under the "win" column on the drawing board

 

Its not a contradiction, i was makin the point that i can only speak for myself but i know for a fact plenty of devices whether they post here or not want this. Sure say you won all you want. The only plaque youll get is for most illiterate, do some research. Next up, none of those rooms would have any benefit outside of boosting with people that speak the same language? The benfit to device and pc rooms is equality, the freedom taken from us is a perk. But keep tryin, what else you got?

Literally been in arena for hours looking for a 'force' noones heard of him.

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Ive made any point that needs to be made. Refer to the original post if you need further reasoning, i have reworded it for those who dont get the picture. Now im gonna go back to actually playing the game. Thanks for helping me reach this months most responded to thread, when i havent made one for years! Youve all been great for helping me get my point accross positive and negative. Catch me in the arena if youd like to see my progress or hit me with a 'challenge' ;)