Posted by Skt A. Sangue

People that get paid ruin the vibe of graal.

Graal has always been player run(with the common dev regulation). Ruins the tradition.

I'll agree that it was a good call to handle the graphics unix. I won't agree that you hired people. There's so many good player artists that would have helped if you asked.../bribed.

Really you spent your own money on work when we could have done it for you. What a waste of money for bread...

Who though? The really good ones want to be paid or work for classic lol  

Posted by Gitaz

Who though? The really good ones want to be paid or work for classic lol

I've been so eager to help with a tileset, but my hopes were ruined after I found out about the paid artists. I don't necessarily agree with the tradition part, but I do agree that it does ruin the vibe.

Not to mention, a lot of average players are also extremely talented when it comes to art, pixel art specifically. Many of these artists are more than willing to help with making their home server better and more appealing in general.  

Ahem Ahem #HireGraakToDoTiles #FRTheDudeNeedsToBePromoted #PlusHesFun #SoManyStaffOnZoneAreBoringAF. #EvenWhenIWasNoobOnClassicLeStaffBackInLeDaysWould ReplyBackToABadJoke #IEvenGotLoliToUseItAsAStatus #GuizMyJokesAreFunneh. #LikeFRIDontThinkGeraldHasEverLaughedAtAnyOfMyJoke sWhenISayThemOutloudAtSB. okay im too lazy to hashtag the rest of this, but when somebody talks publicaly whilst basing and they actually risk losing the base to be fun, you reply. like fr. i dont mind losing the base since ill get it back... but the whole point of talking to the attackers is so that everyone has moar fun. like jesus christianaldo(google him), yall are boring. be more fun.

like fr.

i used to be able to go from skybase to skybase and just annoy the attackers with my amazingly not amazing jokes.

now yall boring.

what happened to the good old days D; wish we could turn back time... to the good old dayyyyz. when our mommas sang us to sleep, but noa we're stressed out.

like fr.

how does one base quietly? if you care that much about hours... ur insane... espc on zone where its ezpziest.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Ahem Ahem #HireGraakToDoTiles #FRTheDudeNeedsToBePromoted #PlusHesFun #SoManyStaffOnZoneAreBoringAF. #EvenWhenIWasNoobOnClassicLeStaffBackInLeDaysWould ReplyBackToABadJoke #IEvenGotLoliToUseItAsAStatus #GuizMyJokesAreFunneh. #LikeFRIDontThinkGeraldHasEverLaughedAtAnyOfMyJoke sWhenISayThemOutloudAtSB. okay im too lazy to hashtag the rest of this, but when somebody talks publicaly whilst basing and they actually risk losing the base to be fun, you reply. like fr. i dont mind losing the base since ill get it back... but the whole point of talking to the attackers is so that everyone has moar fun. like jesus christianaldo(google him), yall are boring. be more fun.

like fr.

i used to be able to go from skybase to skybase and just annoy the attackers with my amazingly not amazing jokes.

now yall boring.

what happened to the good old days D; wish we could turn back time... to the good old dayyyyz. when our mommas sang us to sleep, but noa we're stressed out.

like fr.

how does one base quietly? if you care that much about hours... ur insane... espc on zone where its ezpziest.

The words of a wise man. This needs to be published.  

Wonder if these 'paid artists' can actually make a decent looking tileset for Zone. Hopefully, they can do it but that kills the vibe of player created content that Graal is known for. I mean we have very talented artists in the community and for Unixmad to make a decision like hiring paid artists leave me confused. But best of luck to Zone as it really needs it.  

I assume the paid artist received some money down, but wouldn't get the final payment until it meets the standards that probably Alex/FR decide. I have no problem with a paid artist, as long as it lives up to the standards and finally gets done. I just hope the tileset has .gifs to it.  

Posted by PigParty

I just hope the tileset has .gifs to it.

Sounds like a terrible idea lol. Would make the filesize smaller to just have npcs as gifs. Also would be easier than animating a tileset.  

Posted by Yog

Sounds like a terrible idea lol. Would make the filesize smaller to just have npcs as gifs. Also would be easier than animating a tileset.

It would be very annoying to place an NPC in every spot that should be .gif. I was told that a small portion of the tileset is able to have .gif, and that would be much easier to have 2 tiles that are .gif than placing an NPC where every line in the middle of the road should be, since the .gif part would just be it glowing.  

If what you're saying is there's going to be an excessive amount of animation then I think it's a terrible idea to do at all. It would be distracting.  

I think that some parts of the tileset would be alright to complete. I think that if they just redid the streets, side walks, and the grass and trees it would be a major upgrade.  

Posted by PigParty

It would be very annoying to place an NPC in every spot that should be .gif. I was told that a small portion of the tileset is able to have .gif, and that would be much easier to have 2 tiles that are .gif than placing an NPC where every line in the middle of the road should be, since the .gif part would just be it glowing.

There's four sets of 4 tiles (if I remember correctly), that you place a single frame in, and those frames, which are essentially just tiles (so they have limitations), are combined to create a single animation. This means you get a total of 4 animations. These tiles are best used for water animations, flowing grass animations, and waterfalls, and are best not used for miscellaneous animations that would rather be best made as an npc. Of course, when considering Zone's theme, there are exceptions, such as moving gears, nexus-like animations (like the wallpaper), etc. All in all, those tiles shouldn't include something it shouldn't, because it would be deemed unnecessary.

In my opinion, skyworld shouldn't be a complex system of moving parts and whatnot. It should be a place of peace and harmony, hence why skyworld even exists in the first place. It shouldn't be some rotted old spaceship cramped with moving gears and giant broken down mechs.

I don't know what those artists and unixmad are planning, but it better be good.  

The .gif parts I was thinking of was not excessive at all, I know that would be bad. Take for instance the lines in the road, if that had a glow to it, that would be much better, or for glowing lights like TWIZ said. When I think of futuristic, there's lights, some of which would have to glow/flash, and making all of those NPCs would be difficult.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

There's so many good player artists that would have helped if you asked.../bribed.

no, not really lol, i am respectful, they are decent, but they are by far not ready to make a prosperous game project (a proper tileset)

there are VERY VERY VERY VERY few artists in general, really in general, not just on graal, who are cappable of doing tilesets, they arnt like heads, or whatever, its a completely different science and league

whoever unixmad hired, will definitely not do a good job on the tiles, ill bet my account on it  

Posted by Elk

no, not really lol, i am respectful, they are decent, but they are by far not ready to make a prosperous game project (a proper tileset)

there are VERY VERY VERY VERY few artists in general, really in general, not just on graal, who are cappable of doing tilesets, they arnt like heads, or whatever, its a completely different science and league

whoever unixmad hired, will definitely not do a good job on the tiles, ill bet my account on it

Challenge Accepted. Acc 4 Acc?  

Posted by Gitaz

Challenge Accepted. Acc 4 Acc?

Try to do one. I dare you. Tilesets are hell.