Metro/Train system

HuggyBear · 10-18-2011

Hi guys,

I had an idea, there will be cities around GraalCraft. We should connect hem with train system (minecart) above the ground en metro system underground!
This is also a good way to trasport items to shop and stuff like that. maybe an idea?

Grts HuggyRonin Dash* AKA LZCD

Beholder · 10-18-2011

Vanilla minecart systems are inefficient over long distances:
- Cart collisions with mobs
- Cart collisions with players
- Cart collisions with items
- Cart collisions with other carts
- Cart collisions with lagging / slower / parked players in carts
- No manner of storing the carts without lagging the balls out of the server (I am aware of several designs and have tried them myself)
- Decached chunks on the server stopping unattended minecarts.

A G2K1 train it is not. :[

Higbey · 10-19-2011

Not to mention the fact that youd need to make it going both ways. Making tunnels and running down them is easier and almost as quick.

Dusty · 10-19-2011

Posted by Beholder

Vanilla minecart systems are inefficient over long distances:
- Cart collisions with mobs
- Cart collisions with players
- Cart collisions with items
- Cart collisions with other carts
- Cart collisions with lagging / slower / parked players in carts
- No manner of storing the carts without lagging the balls out of the server (I am aware of several designs and have tried them myself)
- Decached chunks on the server stopping unattended minecarts.

A G2K1 train it is not. :[

What happened to that mod that deposited carts into chests when they collided? I want that!

Higbey · 10-19-2011

The redstone system to get this to work would be laggy. Unless resources where provided by ops I doubt we could make a underground railroad network.

Dusty · 10-19-2011

Posted by Higbey

The redstone system to get this to work would be laggy. Unless resources where provided by ops I doubt we could make a underground railroad network.

Redstone doesn't lag unless it's doing complex circuitry. A simply redstone under a track, or redstone to switch a track direction isn't hurting anything.

Higbey · 10-19-2011

Wouldn't it being extended to all these chunks cause lag? Especially if we made a way to change direction.

0PiX0 · 10-19-2011

Redstone circuitry to change track direction is not a lag issue. The redstone gets activated or deactivated, and then it is done. It's not necessary to extend the redstone a very long way, if the circuitry is done properly.

I would much rather have this metro system in place rather than the /warp system, along with removing /home. That would create a real survival experience. However, I know people like having their home warps.

The metro thing would be really cool, though.

Haro · 10-19-2011

i vote for an above ground one, rather than underground. People could unknowingly dig into a rail tunnel and disrupt a railway. this is totally feasible.

Dusty · 10-19-2011

Posted by 0PiX0

The metro thing would be really cool, though.

If a Metro system is to be embarked upon, you may as well just hold off until 1.9. I personally don't like the warping system, but I find Runecraft more practical and yet it fits in with the game. In order to teleport you have to create a waypoint(where you teleport to) and a teleporter.

Minetracks sound cool, but they can be a pain in the ass, especially over very long distances.

I'd rather have runecraft over /tp, but runecraft + metro could be cool.

Beholder · 10-19-2011

Posted by Dusty

What happened to that mod that deposited carts into chests when they collided? I want that!

That would stop the lagging storage :O
Would help unattended carts not lose as much momentum, but the other issues still exist :| lol

Dusty · 10-19-2011

Posted by Beholder

That would stop the lagging storage :O
Would help unattended carts not lose as much momentum, but the other issues still exist :| lol

It'd be nice if there was a mod that removed unattended carts after a few minutes.

Jazz · 10-19-2011

Theres a bukkit plugin to remove minecarts with a command.

I wonder if minecarts say when they were placed...then you could just run a timer, and check when they were placed, then remove them.

Haro · 10-20-2011

i cheked out runecraft... gotta say I'm not really feeling it. Alot of runes are quite costly.

But I also agree with u dusty that the warp system isnt really cool. I mean, if your quick enough, you can type /home before you hit the ground during a long fall.

Chaotic · 10-20-2011

I'd rather have trains then warps, but running it over oceans would be messy/cage in boat travel. I think we'd have to run it underground there, besides not many people mine under the ocean.

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HuggyBear Thinker Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The Netherlands, Leusden Posts: 33	Metro/Train system Hi guys, I had an idea, there will be cities around GraalCraft. We should connect hem with train system (minecart) above the ground en metro system underground! This is also a good way to trasport items to shop and stuff like that. maybe an idea? Grts HuggyRonin Dash* AKA LZCD

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Beholder Professional iPhone Hater Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 454	Vanilla minecart systems are inefficient over long distances: - Cart collisions with mobs - Cart collisions with players - Cart collisions with items - Cart collisions with other carts - Cart collisions with lagging / slower / parked players in carts - No manner of storing the carts without lagging the balls out of the server (I am aware of several designs and have tried them myself) - Decached chunks on the server stopping unattended minecarts. A G2K1 train it is not. :[

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Higbey Not Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hell Posts: 4,885	Not to mention the fact that youd need to make it going both ways. Making tunnels and running down them is easier and almost as quick.

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0PiX0 Coder Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 298	Redstone circuitry to change track direction is not a lag issue. The redstone gets activated or deactivated, and then it is done. It's not necessary to extend the redstone a very long way, if the circuitry is done properly. I would much rather have this metro system in place rather than the /warp system, along with removing /home. That would create a real survival experience. However, I know people like having their home warps. The metro thing would be really cool, though.

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Haro Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 121	i vote for an above ground one, rather than underground. People could unknowingly dig into a rail tunnel and disrupt a railway. this is totally feasible.

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Jazz Awesome Person Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 217	Theres a bukkit plugin to remove minecarts with a command. I wonder if minecarts say when they were placed...then you could just run a timer, and check when they were placed, then remove them.

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Haro Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 121	i cheked out runecraft... gotta say I'm not really feeling it. Alot of runes are quite costly. But I also agree with u dusty that the warp system isnt really cool. I mean, if your quick enough, you can type /home before you hit the ground during a long fall.

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Chaotic busy Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,270	I'd rather have trains then warps, but running it over oceans would be messy/cage in boat travel. I think we'd have to run it underground there, besides not many people mine under the ocean.