Posted by Eugeen

When they move to America they're obviously going to modernize themselves
Those who don't modernize are the issue though

Why is it assumed that they modernized after they got to America, as if they were different when they were in the Middle-East?

Posted by Fulgore

Just because you know people like that (as do I) it doesn't mean they are the typical example.

I agree that me knowing people doesn't automatically make it the norm. But isn't that the typic example? Polls and research of Muslims in America seem pretty solid that the majority are typical Americans who just practice the Islamic faith.  

Posted by PigParty

Why is it assumed that they modernized after they got to America, as if they were different when they were in the Middle-East?



I agree that me knowing people doesn't automatically make it the norm. But isn't that the typic example? Polls and research of Muslims in America seem pretty solid that the majority are typical Americans who just practice the Islamic faith.

It's obvious they're modernizing by moving to america wether they chose to do that before they move or after is pretty irrelevant as the outcome is the same?
It's simply a fact that most muslims in muslim countries still live with ideals that shouldn't exist in this time and age


Also, to prevent extreme muslims to spread their ideals through mosques in our countries they should just do regular checks and force them to preach in the country its native language.
Not sure how you'd go about preventing that further other than the government helping in individual cases when someone warns authorities about another person possibly having thoughts of planning a terrorist attack of some sort  

Posted by Eugeen

Also, to prevent extreme muslims to spread their ideals through mosques in our countries they should just do regular checks and force them to preach in the country its native language.
Not sure how you'd go about preventing that further other than the government helping in individual cases when someone warns authorities about another person possibly having thoughts of planning a terrorist attack of some sort

That's unconstitutional and will only help paint the picture that the West is against Islam... You need individualized probable cause to search someone or some place. Also, we can't force anyone to speak any specific language because we don't have an established language. I'm actually in favor of establishing English as our national language, but even then, we can't force people to speak in it. That would violate the Constitution as well most likely. We could make people learn English (which we already do in schools) but we can't control how people use that afterwards. Plus, to force Muslims to use English when practicing their religion would also be unconstitutional.

Also, the government is supposed to do something when they get reports like that, but sometimes they don't. The recent Manchester attack is an example. But even then, the government can only do so much since they have to follow the laws and the Constitution. That's the price of living in a free society. You can't bend the rules for anyone.  

Posted by Eugeen

It's obvious they're modernizing by moving to america wether they chose to do that before they move or after is pretty irrelevant as the outcome is the same?

It isn't irrelevant at all, actually. If some of them are already modernized before moving to America, then logic would dictate that there are other modernized folk who don't leave their country. Saying the outcome is the same is correct, but saying that is all that matters is not the case. The implications of both scenarios are different and matter a good deal.  

I don't know if you guys heard but, a white british guy ran over muslims using a track next to their mosque in London. This happened last week, the problem isn't just muslims. We got ISIS members using religion as an excuse to kill people and we also got white people using "anger" as an excuse to kill muslims.
It's true that the government reactions are very slow, there was a video of an isis member praying to the ISIS flag. This video was posted to youtube a month before the bridge attack, this guy who waa praying to the ISIS flag was actually involved in the attack and he was one of the people who were stabbing randoms in the streets. It was obvious this guys was an isis member since he was praying to the isis flag yet, the government decided not to take actions.
In addition, The government provides people who are new to the country free english lessons. Most of the muslims attend to those english lessons, the issue isn't about education. Every isis member lived in muslims areas (England) such Mile end, Barking, whitechapel etc... when muslims are gathered together there is negatives and positives. The positives are obvious (there is no racism in those areas towards muslims) but, they also motivate each others to join Isis. If the government mix all cultures together, the un educated muslims will automatically modernize with the country they live in.
Half of the harsh islam rules are made up. Of course Islam don't allow homosexuality but, it doesn't mean we should kill g!y people. Our job is only to inform them about the rules as brothers in religion, if they decided to be gay then they have a god to punish them. We are not their god to do the punishment. I still believe and will always believe Islam is a peaceful religion, it's just the way you understand Quran. If you decided to focus on the violent parts of the Quran ignoring the other parts of the quotation, then you're obviously and clearly miss understanding it. All those Isis members and half of the Islam dominated countries governments are ignorant people who knows nothing about their religion.  

Posted by MrSimons

I'd say that in North America and Australia it is already a modern religion. Its pretty clear that at this point there is a large divide in Islamic values between parts of the globe.

it comes to how the people of Islam in Australia treat the normal Australian citizens, which is utter ****. There are plenty of nice Muslims I know but some are pretty disgusting in the way of attitude towards people.

It's just annoying to see them demanding things from our government based on the fact they're muslim, its ridiculous.

They abused Imam Tahwadii a muslim activist against Shariah law for being against shariah law, spitting at him and swearing at him in arabic in the streets of adelaide and sydney on a program called today tonight.  

All the countries in Europe should divide like the UK wants too they would be much better off tbh like Germany and France so many attacks its mostly cause of the refugee crisis I'm not saying all of the incoming refugees are bad but some are every country should decide for them self not for Europe like they are currently doing.  

Posted by Ximithie

All the countries in Europe should divide like the UK wants too they would be much better off tbh like Germany and France so many attacks its mostly cause of the refugee crisis I'm not saying all of the incoming refugees are bad but some are every country should decide for them self not for Europe like they are currently doing.

I think the EU is a good idea in theory, but it never would have lasted. British people don't think of themselves as Europeans. They think of themselves as British. That's why it never would have worked. I live in Ohio, but I'm an American, and that's what makes all the difference. When a state dislikes a national law, we just have to put up with it, or fight it in court. But we all accept our national laws. European countries have no obligation to the EU like U.S. citizens have to America.  

Posted by PigParty

European countries have no obligation to the EU like U.S. citizens have to America.

Yes, they do too lol. On a side note, UK had a lot of other reasons to leave.  

Posted by PumaD

Yes, they do too lol. On a side note, UK had a lot of other reasons to leave.

how so? They don't have the same pride, ties, or nationalism to the EU like U.S. citizens do to America. We pledge allegiance to the United States. They pledge allegiance to their country; not the EU.  

Posted by PigParty

how so? They don't have the same pride, ties, or nationalism to the EU like U.S. citizens do to America. We pledge allegiance to the United States. They pledge allegiance to their country; not the EU.

https://europa.eu/european-union/law/application_en  

Posted by Sig.

https://europa.eu/european-union/law/application_en

Yea, so? They have laws and a system. That's not nationalism. Californians don't think of themselves as Californians. They're Americans. Can't say that about European countries. They're French, German, English, and so on. They choose to be in the EU. That's the difference. America had a war over states trying to leave America. The states make America. It's not just some contract we choose to be in until we no longer want to.  

Yeah admittedly a lot of us pledge allegiance to our country, all the EU did was drain us and command what our people should do. Being one of the only countries in the EU that actually did abide by the EU's policies really wasn't a favourable thing for our people - (See France banning the Burkha, which a majority of British people had agreed with, the EU was against it yet France still have not received a penalty as a result of their action)  

The EU is great towards germany and france however destroyed the economies of many countries including Italy and Greece.
Most countries would be better off,the only benefit the EU granted was the fact that for once European nations didn't fight one another(with the exeption of the incident in the 90s)

This thread is pretty much as useful as the U.Nin solving any of our issues  

Posted by Sardon

The EU is great towards germany and france however destroyed the economies of many countries including Italy and Greece.
Most countries would be better off,the only benefit the EU granted was the fact that for once European nations didn't fight one another(with the exeption of the incident in the 90s)

This thread is pretty much as useful as the U.Nin solving any of our issues

Yea Greece totally did not **** itself with their ****ty bureaucracy. I don't know why you're talking if you know nothing about the issue(s).