Another problem is who would decide what is overpowered and what isn't. Some such as bar and pbp are quite clearly overpowered but others such as shipka it's harder to tell.  

Posted by Meph

I encourage you to start a petition, poll, or something that gives backbone to the idea of nerfing the OP guns. I'll even sign it myself, or vote in favor of it.

Imma do this.  

I somewhat agree that one or two guns may need to be changed but I think refunds need to be offered if the changes are big, as it isn't exactly fair for someone to buy a gun and then it be made crap. Guns range from like 100 gralats to 200,000 gralats for a reason.  

Posted by Fellage

I somewhat agree that one or two guns may need to be changed but I think refunds need to be offered if the changes are big, as it isn't exactly fair for someone to buy a gun and then it be made crap. Guns range from like 100 gralats to 200,000 gralats for a reason.

They'd get a refund, of course. But having a gun like a BAR isn't fair either, so something has to change. Of course the bar should be way better than the starter pistol- but that doesn't mean it should have the stats like it has now. (same for other guns alike the BAR)  

Posted by Engel

Of course the bar should be way better than the starter pistol- but that doesn't mean it should have the stats like it has now. (same for other guns alike the BAR)

Idk why you ppl whine about BAR stats,I've seen players beat BARs in spar with a sten,then you will start another thread implying to nerf sten.

And if they do get the BAR and souizen nerfed,well then add a speed boost to the game,it's ridiculous how ppl desperately try to bottom hug.  

Posted by ManBearPig

Idk why you ppl whine about BAR stats,I've seen players beat BARs in spar with a sten,then you will start another thread implying to nerf sten.

And if they do get the BAR and souizen nerfed,well then add a speed boost to the game,it's ridiculous how ppl desperately try to bottom hug.

Dude of course, I beat bar 9/10 too, but now people with over 40000 spar wins (EP, but junz and goblin use bar often too) are using it. They are skilled already and with that weapon it's just not even fun ;p  

I agree with this. (aside from the kids who buy the over priced guns by stealing mommys credit card) Who really wants to spend 100 dollars on a pixel gun?  

A good player can defend against any gun. Remember that before you cry for nerfs. I'm sick of hearing about this "balance" bullsh*t. They need to STOP changing weapons after the fact. It's defrauding to the players who worked hard to earn gralats to buy them.

I own a BAR which I dug for before the shovels got nerfed (yeah I know, this didn't officially happen. Whatever). Some other BAR owners can beat me, some can't. Some PBP owners beat me, some can't.

If you can't beat a BAR or PBP, practice dodging or play games with your parents.  

since i own both now , and use both (i like the bar to troll XP and yea i bought it with real money, want to fight about it?) , i must say BAR has its disadvantages, the freeze is enough on a bar for a skilled M4 or sten user or even dual eagles to compete with, its true, i actually feel disadvantaged in some cases with the BAR compared to when i was only using M4. each gun has its own advantages and disadvantages but i will say this:

if anyone plans on nerfing bar they better refund me half of what i paid, and also decrease the price as well for future users.

i really found it isnt as all cracked up as i thought it would be. the real difference is the ability to spam doorways in bases and mow down people, thats all.

an upgraded M4 is 9 damage, and upgraded bar is 10. i still feel better with an upgraded M4 then i do with a bar.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Butthurt bar user who knows he will suck when bar gets nerfed

You're going to throw that out there not even having any explanation or valid evidence? I use the sten more than the BAR, but i bet you'll think otherwise because you seem special in certain ways. I said no b/c it's a P2P game and that i've seen many people beat a BAR or PBP user easily. There is weapon considered a so called 'OP' gun, only Technique and Experience with one. Obviously someone will say holding a fully-auto in a doorway shows no skill, but that just tells me that you're awful at the game you can't counter it. =]  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Butthurt bar user who knows he will suck when bar gets nerfed

Anyways
Bar and other weapons are getting out of hand. Bar and pbp IMO souizen is not OP. Like it ornot, every good game has a pay2win type thing exp Battlefield3. You dont need to give them a cent to win i have no spent a cent on them and i still whoop ass on it. But they do gove premium members DLC and new weaponry.

A OP gun has no disadvantages. The bar and pbp really have no disadvantages. All the bar and pbp queers are going to start rage posting NO BAR AND PBP ARE FINE. They think it is because they use them. Try only using a m4 or any other gun. ITS NOT FAIR. Pking has turned from skill into the richest person will ge the most kills. Bar needs to have a major freeze nerf. Pbp needs that no damn stacked damage crap. Just go back to original shotguns.
Im getting extremley tired of this v

I'm pretty sure Wabbit can own you,stupid baser..

You guys are stupid,I don't use PBP or don't even own a Souizen. And I never use BAR because I don't usually pk/base.PBP I have to admit it's strong in spar because of the close-quarters. Pretty OP,but Bar can easily be juked out due to its unusual freeze,and souizen is already pretty bad for a rare gun,12 clip and reloads like a Grandpa..  

Posted by Engel

Hey- as many of iEra's players know iEra became (in my opinion atleast) pay to win in a way. Guns like the BAR, souizen, pbp and shipka have a big advantage over cheaper guns. I think this is pretty unfair as not everyone is willing to spend money on in-app purchases or dig for atleast a full week. That's why I'm just asking to nerf them in order to restore balance, and make iEra more fun again.

In order to let even the bar users understand my point of view I made a little graph, which I'm going to explain now:

Red: The "overpowered" guns as they are now;
Blue: The guns how they should be in my opinion;
Green: This part of the graph is supposed to be both red and blue, in which case I made it green to avoid confusion;
Yellow; The end of the graph, this would symbolise the "perfect" gun, no freeze, huge fire rate etc. (located far right upper corner and the end of the blue line under it, and the two ends of the graph)

The X axis (horizontal) is how "good" a gun is;
The Y axis (vertical) is the price of the gun.

As you notice the red line, so how it is now, is a straight line. The more you pay, the better the gun you buy is. What I want is to equalize all guns so a more expensive gun, as the price increases gets better less and less, so that a 200000 gralat gun won't be thát much better than for instance a 150000 gralat gun. You see this back in the blue line; it bends off horizontally.

I really think this would help alot to improve iEra's gameplay as everything would depend more on skill, instead on overpowered weapons.
Any thoughts?

 

Posted by BootySlayer

A good player can defend against any gun. Remember that before you cry for nerfs. I'm sick of hearing about this "balance" bullsh*t. They need to STOP changing weapons after the fact. It's defrauding to the players who worked hard to earn gralats to buy them.

I own a BAR which I dug for before the shovels got nerfed (yeah I know, this didn't officially happen. Whatever). Some other BAR owners can beat me, some can't. Some PBP owners beat me, some can't.

If you can't beat a BAR or PBP, practice dodging or play games with your parents.

Then I'd really like to spar you; I'm fairly certain I know what I'm talking about, and that I don't have to become any better at spar to be able to say something like this.  

If you nerf the guns, one gun will still be better then the rest. Then you guys want that gun nerfed and so on until every gun does 1 damage, shoots 2 bullets per minute, has bad accuracy to the point the bullet shoots in the opposite direction of the weapon, and every gun would have the freeze of an Ak47 :]. The souizen,bar,and shipka should not be nerfed(pbp should get a damage drop off) because of their high prices. The guns were given there stats because of the difference in price with other guns. Also its obvious that a player with a 2k gun could not beat a player with the same skill set if their opponent had a 55k gun. The reason the weapons are given stats is to separate them.
Of course most players would want the gun with the best stats, if every player could obtain them at once their would be no need for a variety of weapons.



For example: Souizen vs M16

The souizen and the m16 have the same rof and damage as well as a similar spread. The only difference i have noticed is the freeze, the M16 is 15k and many people have bought the souizen for more than 100,000 graalats. If you nerf the souizens rof then all it has is freeze on its side. If you nerf the souizen why not nerf the 15k weapon that has the same exact speed? Or the cheap ak47 that has the same speed? Or the 85k gun the thomson that has the same speed? Or the 200k weapon the BAR that has the same speed? Or the 30k weapon the skorpion that has the same speed? Or the 4.9k gun the water gun that has the same speed? Nerf the souizens damage? What about the 55k m4 that has the same damage? Or the 125k shipka that does the same damage? Or the 65k sten that does the same damage? Or the 15k gun the m16 that does the same damage? Or the 75k Ap0 that does like 10 damage ? All the guns stated have a part of their stats that are similar yet have different prices because they have that one over the top stat that only a few other guns have, and those guns have a draw back aswell.



All i have to say is if your gonna nerf something, nerf the starter gun. Why? Cause after 1 nerf comes another and another till their is a 100k+ gun that has the same stats as a 100 graalat pistol.  

Posted by knuckles

If you nerf the guns, one gun will still be better then the rest. Then you guys want that gun nerfed and so on until every gun does 1 damage, shoots 2 bullets per minute, has bad accuracy to the point the bullet shoots in the opposite direction of the weapon, and every gun would have the freeze of an Ak47 :]. The souizen,bar,and shipka should not be nerfed(pbp should get a damage drop off) because of their high prices. The guns were given there stats because of the difference in price with other guns. Also its obvious that a player with a 2k gun could not beat a player with the same skill set if their opponent had a 55k gun. The reason the weapons are given stats is to separate them.
Of course most players would want the gun with the best stats, if every player could obtain them at once their would be no need for a variety of weapons.



For example: Souizen vs M16

The souizen and the m16 have the same rof and damage as well as a similar spread. The only difference i have noticed is the freeze, the M16 is 15k and many people have bought the souizen for more than 100,000 graalats. If you nerf the souizens rof then all it has is freeze on its side. If you nerf the souizen why not nerf the 15k weapon that has the same exact speed? Or the cheap ak47 that has the same speed? Or the 85k gun the thomson that has the same speed? Or the 200k weapon the BAR that has the same speed? Or the 30k weapon the skorpion that has the same speed? Or the 4.9k gun the water gun that has the same speed? Nerf the souizens damage? What about the 55k m4 that has the same damage? Or the 125k shipka that does the same damage? Or the 65k sten that does the same damage? Or the 15k gun the m16 that does the same damage? Or the 75k Ap0 that does like 10 damage ? All the guns stated have a part of their stats that are similar yet have different prices because they have that one over the top stat that only a few other guns have, and those guns have a draw back aswell.



All i have to say is if your gonna nerf something, nerf the starter gun. Why? Cause after 1 nerf comes another and another till their is a 100k+ gun that has the same stats as a 100 graalat pistol.

you must be one of those l33t kids who walks around with all the expensive guns?