Posted by Blueh

The insensitivity of our generation is really reflecting here. How would you feel if you died by some unfortunate circumstance and someone who doesn't even know you, thinks they have the right to say you deserve no pity for your death? No respect for humanity at all, regardless of who it may be, you should always be courteous to those who are no longer at all.

Should we be courteous to Vlad Dracula (Vlad the Impaler) for brutally and cruelly torturing over 100,000 people, including women and children? What about Joseph Stalin? Hitler?

In our case, should we be courteous to those who, in their life or through their death, have negatively affected the lives of others? He had children back home, and as such, had responsibilities for people close to him. He had responsibility for his friends in the car. To throw your entire life away, including emotionally devastating his children and his friends' families is a completely idiotic move with life-changing consequences, and not just for himself. There is no reason you should have any pity for this guy, unless you're immediate family. Even then, I'd be ashamed if he were my kid.

Posted by Blueh

How would you feel if you died by some unfortunate circumstance and someone who doesn't even know you, thinks they have the right to say you deserve no pity for your death?

This isn't an unfortunate circumstance at all. He wasn't struck by lightning, nor killed by a gunman or disease. He tried to outrun a train with a car, which resulted in his death, whilst also murdering the other people in the car. He brought this upon himself. This is barely any different than shooting two people, and then yourself. The end result is the exact same.

Posted by Blueh

The insensitivity of our generation is really reflecting here.

The sensitivity of our generation? Go back to archaic times where people held events specifically for murdering people as a community (including children killing other children), and tell me our generation is insensitive. If anything, the media is overly sensitive. Our generation isn't insensitive in the least, you're just seeing this too liberally.  

Posted by Talon

Should we be courteous to Vlad Dracula (Vlad the Impaler) for brutally and cruelly torturing over 100,000 people, including women and children? What about Joseph Stalin? Hitler?

In our case, should we be courteous to those who, in their life or through their death, have negatively affected the lives of others? He had children back home, and as such, had responsibilities for people close to him. He had responsibility for his friends in the car. To throw your entire life away, including emotionally devastating his children and his friends' families is a completely idiotic move with life-changing consequences, and not just for himself. There is no reason you should have any pity for this guy, unless you're immediate family. Even then, I'd be ashamed if he were my kid.



This isn't an unfortunate circumstance at all. He wasn't struck by lightning, nor killed by a gunman or disease. He tried to outrun a train with a car, which resulted in his death, whilst also murdering the other people in the car. He brought this upon himself. This is barely any different than shooting two people, and then yourself. The end result is the exact same.



The sensitivity of our generation? Go back to archaic times where people held events specifically for murdering people as a community (including children killing other children), and tell me our generation is insensitive. If anything, the media is overly sensitive. Our generation isn't insensitive in the least, you're just seeing this too liberally.

You twisted hiswords so much that its acutally funny. You see, what the argument here is, do you even know if he was driving? It was only mentioned as his truck, not him driving. And how are you comparing a commentator who was in a deadly accident to Vlad the fricken impaler? The guy didnt kill anyone, he died with other people in the vehicle. Even if he drove, he had friends who could have driven him home. Dont try to pin this on Yoteslaya, it probably wasnt even his choice.  

They're dead. What more do you want to make of it? Condemning people who have died isn't going to change anything. A dead man may leave behind a legacy, but it's the decision of those who live who choose to continue it. You can say as much as you want about how bad someone lived, but we all die the same. All I'm saying is to have some simple humanity for those who have died. It doesn't matter who it is, or what they've done or haven't done. Just be courteous to the fact that they're no longer here, even so if they have done bad within their lives, what have you to worry of them? They cannot harm you if they are not alive. Will those people crawl out from their graves one day and continue their misdeeds? Highly unlikely.  

Posted by Infernus Lapse

You twisted hiswords so much that its acutally funny.

I twisted no one's words at all. Not sure what you're referring to.

Posted by Infernus Lapse

You see, what the argument here is, do you even know if he was driving? It was only mentioned as his truck, not him driving.

It's heavily implied in the context. Why else would anyone be driving his truck, considering they were all intoxicated in the first place?

Posted by Infernus Lapse

And how are you comparing a commentator who was in a deadly accident to Vlad the fricken impaler?

Do you know what an analogy is? I wasn't comparing the two cases directly. Look back to my post and actually read it, perhaps you missed the "in our case" that indicated that I shifted the subject. I was using Vlad, Hitler and Stalin as completely different cases in response to Blueh's claim that all humans that have passed away should be paid respects, no matter their acts in life.

Posted by Infernus Lapse

The guy didnt kill anyone, he died with other people in the vehicle.

Third-degree murder.

Posted by Infernus Lapse

Even if he drove, he had friends who could have driven him home.

Then why didn't he? Irresponsibility and lack of judgment due to the alcohol, in which the blame ultimately lies with him.

Posted by Infernus Lapse

Dont try to pin this on Yoteslaya, it probably wasnt even his choice.

It was his truck. Either he was driving them home and being an idiot, or he wasn't driving the truck - and no one else would be driving it either, considering they were all intoxicated.  

Posted by Blueh

Condemning people who have died isn't going to change anything.

I'm not condemning him, I'm just surprised that anyone would sympathize with this person after killing himself, two friends, and leaving his family - as well as his friends' families - in utter emotional devastation due to a stupid decision that was ultimately his fault.

Posted by Blueh

A dead man may leave behind a legacy, but it's the decision of those who live who choose to continue it.

You're being too idealistic. The legacy that will live on from this person, is that due to his actions, his children were left without a father, and two other families are mourning over the death of their children due to this man. It's not a choice to live it or not - the families aren't going to forget that their children are dead because of this stupid decision, and they never will until they die.

Posted by Blueh

You can say as much as you want about how bad someone lived, but we all die the same.

Children, under regular circumstances, should never die before their parents. Ever. That isn't okay. It's not "forgettable" in those families.  

So someone decides to do something extremely stupid like racing a train with your car as well as drinking and driving and I'm supposed to feel bad when they die? I'm sorry, but if you don't have any regard for your own life and the lives of the people you are driving then why should I show any sympathy when you die?  

Welcome to reality. How the families of those who were affected choose to live their lives, is entirely governed by them, and them alone. No one else can tell them how to think, or how to feel or dictate their actions from this point on (especially someone who isn't here any longer). You cannot keep placing blame on someone who has died, because you may as well say its the moon's fault the sun isn't shining. It's just pretty ridiculous to keep those accusations, but nonetheless: how they gather this experience into their general philosophy is their matter. Or they may see no impact from it at all. Who are we to decide for them? Do you have plans to arrest this dead man and incarcerate him by due law for his actions? For leaving behind his children without the thought of them in mind? No, of course not, because he's dead as I've said countless times already. The least, what I am saying, that people should do is have respect. You can't make anymore mistakes in death. Getting in that vehicle while driving under the influence was something he did while he was living. The only time you'll see dead people continue killing and harming people after they've died are in movies and television. This poor man is still suffering criticisms for things that are already over. Let it go, and take what learning you need from it.  

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Posted by Blueh

Welcome to reality. How the families of those who were affected choose to live their lives, is entirely governed by them, and them alone. No one else can tell them how to think, or how to feel or dictate their actions from this point on (especially someone who isn't here any longer). You cannot keep placing blame on someone who has died, because you may as well say its the moon's fault the sun isn't shining. It's just pretty ridiculous to keep those accusations, but nonetheless: how they gather this experience into their general philosophy is their matter. Or they may see no impact from it at all. Who are we to decide for them? Do you have plans to arrest this dead man and incarcerate him by due law for his actions? For leaving behind his children without the thought of them in mind? No, of course not, because he's dead as I've said countless times already. The least, what I am saying, that people should do is have respect. You can't make anymore mistakes in death. Getting in that vehicle while driving under the influence was something he did while he was living. The only time you'll see dead people continue killing and harming people after they've died are in movies and television. This poor man is still suffering criticisms for things that are already over. Let it go, and take what learning you need from it.

I agree with this. He did a really dumb decision by driving under the influence of alcohol with two of his friends (who I am unsure were also drunk), but that does not make him a bad person. Everyone makes really stupid decisions, and some at the cost of their life. I do not agree with his decision at all and am ashamed he did what he did, but just show your condolences for his family at the least. Also, the report describes that no one was wearing seat belts and two of them were thrown underneath the truck pinned.  

Posted by Blueh

Welcome to reality. How the families of those who were affected choose to live their lives, is entirely governed by them, and them alone. No one else can tell them how to think, or how to feel or dictate their actions from this point on (especially someone who isn't here any longer). You cannot keep placing blame on someone who has died, because you may as well say its the moon's fault the sun isn't shining. It's just pretty ridiculous to keep those accusations, but nonetheless: how they gather this experience into their general philosophy is their matter. Or they may see no impact from it at all. Who are we to decide for them? Do you have plans to arrest this dead man and incarcerate him by due law for his actions? For leaving behind his children without the thought of them in mind? No, of course not, because he's dead as I've said countless times already. The least, what I am saying, that people should do is have respect. You can't make anymore mistakes in death. Getting in that vehicle while driving under the influence was something he did while he was living. The only time you'll see dead people continue killing and harming people after they've died are in movies and television. This poor man is still suffering criticisms for things that are already over. Let it go, and take what learning you need from it.

With your reasoning we should just focus on all the good things Hitler did and ignore everything bad that happened!

Death is not grant you a clean slate. Your actions in life define who you are. This man did something incredibly stupid killing himself and 2 others and leaving fatherless children at home. I have no respect for someone that is dumb enough to endanger the lives of others by driving drunk, so why should I show respect for a man that did this and murdered 2 other people in the process?  

Posted by Blueh

Welcome to reality. How the families of those who were affected choose to live their lives, is entirely governed by them, and them alone. No one else can tell them how to think, or how to feel or dictate their actions from this point on (especially someone who isn't here any longer). You cannot keep placing blame on someone who has died, because you may as well say its the moon's fault the sun isn't shining. It's just pretty ridiculous to keep those accusations, but nonetheless: how they gather this experience into their general philosophy is their matter. Or they may see no impact from it at all. Who are we to decide for them? Do you have plans to arrest this dead man and incarcerate him by due law for his actions? For leaving behind his children without the thought of them in mind? No, of course not, because he's dead as I've said countless times already. The least, what I am saying, that people should do is have respect. You can't make anymore mistakes in death. Getting in that vehicle while driving under the influence was something he did while he was living. The only time you'll see dead people continue killing and harming people after they've died are in movies and television. This poor man is still suffering criticisms for things that are already over. Let it go, and take what learning you need from it.

He's not suffering from our criticisms, he's dead due to his own stupidity. It is absolutely terrible for his family, and his friends and subscribers, but he made a ****ing awful decision and payed for it (perhaps deservedly) with his life. The majority of us know nothing about him except that he made a stupid decision. Based on that alone, he does not deserve our respect. If I died in similar circumstances, I'd expect someone like Talon to comment on my better qualities while the rest of you go "what a ****ing idiot", because that would clearly make me a ****ing idiot. We aren't telling the families what to do or think, we are merely commenting on what a poor decision he made and what a waste of life it turned out to be.

rip in peace  

I miss him I just miss him a lot.. I want to die too  

Posted by DaScientist

I miss him I just miss him a lot.. I want to die too

You'll feel better tomorrow.  

Posted by Talon

I twisted no one's words at all. Not sure what you're referring to.



It's heavily implied in the context. Why else would anyone be driving his truck, considering they were all intoxicated in the first place?



Do you know what an analogy is? I wasn't comparing the two cases directly. Look back to my post and actually read it, perhaps you missed the "in our case" that indicated that I shifted the subject. I was using Vlad, Hitler and Stalin as completely different cases in response to Blueh's claim that all humans that have passed away should be paid respects, no matter their acts in life.

Third-degree murder.

Then why didn't he? Irresponsibility and lack of judgment due to the alcohol, in which the blame ultimately lies with him.

It was his truck. Either he was driving them home and being an idiot, or he wasn't driving the truck - and no one else would be driving it either, considering
they were all intoxicated.

Why are u such an insentitive b***** its nit like he was aware if the dangers of what he was about to face if a sleep walker acidentaly kills himself does that make him an idiot  

Posted by Hadzz

Why are u such an insentitive b***** its nit like he was aware if the dangers of what he was about to face if a sleep walker acidentaly kills himself does that make him an idiot

Sleep walking is not a choice. Getting drunk and driving a truck and racing a train is a choice.