None of the gold tier players have a positive W-L ratio on me, besides elder triple.  

and? most of them are better skillwise (and delay wise when you mention raege and josh who are both pretty horrible delayers)  

Red calm down, its just an accurate list in which you are accurately ranked. Its okay that you didn't make the gold tier. Better luck next time?  

I don't how you can rank anyone on the server besides the people mentioned as legendary who obviously stick out as the best. Lag and Delay quite obviously play a huge factor and most of the players mentioned as legendary outplay this factor.

I agree with most of it besides me, tom and few others being silver ranked when a few in gold aren't sparrers.

If you're speaking about all time I'd chuck ares in legendary.  

Posted by Darkk

Updated spar rankings for the potential new spar system. Rankings are based off points per win in single spar, gst performance and player opinions.The rankings are primarily active players. The list was mainly made by me, although I did consult with players such as Mikva, David and a few others. Thanks for helping with the construction of the most accurate spar rankings to date.

Note: Only Legendary and platinum tiers are ranked in order, the others are somewhat ordered, but predominately randomised.

Legendary: Thallen, brett, sarah, dante, abood, david, primtime, zeross, kevin91, zid, mk, jack mercy (jack with 20k), sean, gz & skull.

Platinum: Aserus, mikva, AK, hmong, inco, eko, dark, tucker, shiden, pae, fro, dae, shadz, warhawk, sw@nk, shaheen, aguzo, contego, shadow dynasty, pkun, nell, clops, 7mood, abel, silver, koi, jack, deus, yui, james, relic, ruke, male, phural, kosma, kicko, ares, noss, blaze & qes.

Gold:Surge, Sophie, Ruby, bu7maid, mshak, mex, LR, inev, xoss, ariona, kite, kamikaze, mish, jose, alumba saber, crimestopper, veagle, memo, sugar, daze, tykian, raege, cookie, carly, rusty, spod, livid, uranus/catalyst, spadz, Austin koga, fulgore, alex74, neptune bloodvayne, natty, macintosh, ale de fanny, elder triple, zkiller,brandon, glenn , paz primel, lucifer, luna/daniel, acqua, roller, dalton, dream, bomit, trusand, sergio, voodoo, raj, luvious, boots, tol josh, doll, wick, jen, noobisha, den, haze, venus, marc, toich,architect, RDG, hmongs gf/santi, jay, roger, alexR, droid, faust, spoon, callum, ....

Silver: Ttt, nk, megan, noa, plato primel, striken, red, kyuuri, buddy, seiken pyro, zetitic, kiyan primel, norn, carl, scarchaos, king primel, mbk primel, ....

Bronze: Dia, Dab primel, ravage primel, excite koga and the rest of the server.

-Feel free to message mikva or myself in game if you have any suggestions for the list/edits or if you wish to share your opinion.
-If I missed your name, please contact me in game. I will edit if you contact me shortly.

Key:
Platinum: top 15 sparrers
Diamond: top 16-40sparrers
Gold: Majority of spar community
Silver and bronze:

Colin please don't delete, its important for us sparrers to see where the community ranks us. I'm sure this list offends no one as it is accurate.

I think Warhawk and Shadow deserve a legendary spot. Because some people put them in their top 10-20 of all time

I would def put LR in Plat and would keep GZ in legendary. Don't understand how Thallen could say otherwise  

Posted by qes

I think Warhawk and Shadow deserve a legendary spot. Because some people put them in their top 10-20 of all time

I would def put LR in Plat and would keep GZ in legendary. Don't understand how Thallen could say otherwise

Based off gst performance (they didn't qualify) and solo spar activity they can't be legendary. They are only platinum because when they spar they streak and also they are highly regarded by the spar community.
Same goes for LR, although I have moved him higher.  

Honestly... not sure what the requirement for your legendary list is but if Sean and Mk are on it. Pae should def not be in Platinum. Pae has been wrecking most of the best sparrers on this server all of 2016 when he spars.  

Posted by qes

Because some people put them in their top 10-20 of all time

Who?

Posted by qes

Don't understand how Thallen could say otherwise

Pretty simple explanation... I find everyone in the top tier of Dark's list to be extremely hard to spar, except for GZ and Sean  

Posted by Darkk

Based off gst performance (they didn't qualify) and solo spar activity they can't be legendary. They are only platinum because when they spar they streak and also they are highly regarded by the spar community.
Same goes for LR, although I have moved him higher.

LR should not be in gold, he should be plat. Most of it is solid but really him being gold is just not right.

And if this is based on order then that changes everything in terms of the list (i thought it was just category). If it's based on order then there is a lot wrong about the list... but in the end it's just a list based on personal preferences so oh well  

Posted by Darkk

Based off gst performance (they didn't qualify) and solo spar activity they can't be legendary. They are only platinum because when they spar they streak and also they are highly regarded by the spar community.
Same goes for LR, although I have moved him higher.

GST plays little effect into how the community views individuals because gst is a team thing. When somebody logs on and wrecks everybody once or twice a week, they are considered good. When somebody does that their whole entire spar career for years straight, they usually become considered legends. has nothing to do with GST. Warhawks def has a spot on that list, Shadow does in my mind, but if you want to argue with shadow, I understand because he hasn't made much of an appearance on this server.
LR is another character that most smart sparrers instantly recognize his skill level when seeing his movements. Anybody can see it, he should not be in Gold in my strong opinion.

Posted by Thallen

Who?


Pretty simple explanation... I find everyone in the top tier of Dark's list to be extremely hard to spar, except for GZ and Sean

I guess Sean is on the list because he is a spar community favorite who does well in Guild spar. ( i think he should be plat too)
GZ is on the list because he dominates everytime he logs on and spars on classic.
Thallen If you go to any forum about the top 5 sparrers of all time you'll see warhawks name on there.  

I never even mentioned Warhawk... I forgot he was even a person until you just typed that
This is the only Graal forum I know of and no one here is mentioning him as top 5 though  

Considering Kamikaze Enguard is sparring on this server now, might swell add him to plat  

Also Exalt should be in plat and anthony should be on this list somewhere but he is inactive  

Btw the set number for the "key" is silly. There could be 100 platinum sparrers if there are 100 sparers with their own consistent good spar style showing up to the arena and beating other good sparers. There could also be 30 legendary players (but RIGHT NOW there isn't on iclassic)

Posted by Thallen

I never even mentioned Warhawk... I forgot he was even a person until you just typed that
This is the only Graal forum I know of and no one here is mentioning him as top 5 though

no i just have eyes. If anybody here was online for GST week and the two weeks after that when war hawk was especially active, they will tell you he was streaking and winning quiet a bit. I'm mentioning him because I've seen forums where people mention him and I can watch somebody spar a few times and make up my mind right away on whether or not they are that good based on their movements and how they predict people.  

James205 should be moved down to silver rank, he honestly is the worst sparrer graal has ever seen and he's just a overall bad sparrer...