I just wish castle's respawn was at the point where you respawn if you are killed outside the flagroom. That would solve the issue most of the way, my biggest issue with the current one is that, to reach the flag, you have to go through 5 doors. When the server isn't doing well, going through 5 doors is an absolute pain, especially doors that enter into the overworld.  

Oh, you guys are talking about the respawn distance when you die as an attacker, not a defender... Then yes, I agree that Castle's is discouragingly far, as was the same with the old DW. At least you're able to use your horse through about half the distance.  

What are all these changes? Haven't been to any of the towers in a while, are there major spawn point changes? Guess I'll have to go check em' out.

Posted by Thallen

Oh, you guys are talking about the respawn distance when you die as an attacker, not a defender... Then yes, I agree that Castle's is pretty discouragingly far, as was the same with the old DW.

I think Castle's spawn points will all be inside soon, nobody likes having to start on the bridge while having to then go through the guard inside the tower; which offers a short delay to attackers.  

Posted by Thallen

and that brainless water spam.

I think Dusty said somewhere he fixed this (?)

Posted by Thallen

Oh, you guys are talking about the respawn distance when you die as an attacker, not a defender... Then yes, I agree that Castle's is discouragingly far, as was the same with the old DW. At least you're able to use your horse through about half the distance.

And yes, I was referring to the difference between the distances of the attacker respawns and defender respawns. Castle: defender = hall > flag; attacker = bridge > entrance > garden > fountain > hall > flag  

I'm liking the changes. Can't wait to see where things go! Great job staff!  

That Deadwood tower update is awesome! Now there's finally room to fight.  

Posted by Anakin_Graal

Wider stairs are always a good thing, and I like that they gave the defending guild the distance advantage to the flag. I don't like that you can walk up into the defender's spawn area, I think that should be fixed. I like the renovation of the flag room too, and I'm glad they got rid of the pointless balcony area. Good tower upgrade.

Edit: Noticed you can't use the sword in the defender's spawn area, that's good.

Wider stairs are probably due to numerous feedbacks that graalians get too easily stuck on the stair entrances  

Posted by Thallen

Oh, you guys are talking about the respawn distance when you die as an attacker, not a defender... Then yes, I agree that Castle's is discouragingly far, as was the same with the old DW. At least you're able to use your horse through about half the distance.

Yeah, but the difference is that DW had a smaller flag room and the flag had less hit points, making it much more difficult to defend (homing DW with Absence was hell.) With Castle, it was more about how well people could pk, and then attack the flag, rather than just spamming a sword at DW.  

What's it look like?  

 

Posted by Skyzer

What's it look like?

 

Ah. Still looks exactly like the old levels. Except the outside.  

I think for swamp, not only does the water spam need to stop but It'd be pretty cool to add a feature where parts of the tower actually slowed you down, just a thought.

As for deadwood I love the improvement in space, no more slim halls making it easy to defend and easy for team memebrs to block your path.  

Okay so, lets look at an example of a good tower.
MoD, The spawns are set up so that both the defenders and the attackers have almost an equal distance to the "middle" they meet in the middle at the starecase that takes them to the flag room.
^^^this formula should be used in every fort. It is the perfect way to make a clash between defenders and attackers. The "middle ground" where the attackers and defenders meet in MoD, should be a little wider in some areas to allow people to have space to move around while killing each other.
Not necessary, but a GOOD idea that Era does, is having health on doors. I think there should only be ONE door though. It should block the one entrance into the flag room, so defenders can hold off the attackers at the middle ground and defend the door, once the door is destroyed, the attackers burst into the flag room and hit the 50/50 HP flag giving the defenders one final chance to keep it, but it would be very difficult to keep after the door is broken.
Also, I wouldn't mind if they delete a few towers and make there be only be 2/3/4 towers, just to increase the population of guilds trying to attacking making it switch ownership often constantly changing who is defending. Guilds shouldn't be holding towers for HOURS straight, thats boring.
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Posted by Thallen

The update is very good and I'm glad staff are listening to suggestions, particularly regarding slim stairways and bad chokepoints. With this change, I think Swamp is the last tower left that has actual problems, like the slim pathways and that brainless water spam.


I don't think Castle is that bad, and I actually think it's good that certain towers are a little easier to defend than others. If they were all similarly designed and entirely balanced, it'd probably be a bit boring. I find it kind of cool that a tower like Destiny typically attracts the strongest guild, whereas MoD is like a fallback tower to most people.

The only time I've found spawn points to be cancerous were the old Sardon's and Snow spawn points. Spawning right beside the flag just seems like poor design to me.

It would never be boring if there were less towers (more guilds fighting in the same towers, graal towering population isn't big enough for there to be 5-6 towers)
It would never be boring if the towers create an even spawn distance so that both the Attackers and the defenders have to run an equal distance.
It would never be boring if the design included a final "door" before the flag room, that has HP, like era (except only one door) to create a defending/attacking strategy other than "get 15 people and hit flag"
It would never be boring if there was a good run distance to the "middle ground" (As seen in MoD). Not too long of a run, not too far of a run. (MoD has a great run distance tbh)  

Posted by Livid

I think for swamp, not only does the water spam need to stop but It'd be pretty cool to add a feature where parts of the tower actually slowed you down, just a thought.

As for deadwood I love the improvement in space, no more slim halls making it easy to defend and easy for team memebrs to block your path.

Swamp and Sards are the worst towers. Spam is annoying; Why haven't anyone brought those up yet in regards to 'slim hallways' and easy defending? Besides Swamp, Sards is just ugh.