Welcome to a thread that will turn into a flame war. As the thread discription says, this is a discussion. I want to hear feedback on how the alien dual blade should be changed. My view point on it is, you're getting 3 400 ZC items. They should be the same as the 400 zc items since you have to unlock them. The reason being is im throwing you all a bone by giving you in the end one of the most powerful weapons in the game. I want the damage to be reduced to 5, this way it can keep its uniqueness of having 0 freeze and being an agressive melee and still be effective in combat. What changes do you want to happen? It can be anything.
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Yes, because I will never get it.  

Jesus, 0 freeze? How is the speed speed though? In comparison to the sabre anyways.  

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

Jesus, 0 freeze? How is the speed speed though? In comparison to the sabre anyways.

sabre speed, ik its super OP  

If you are looking at the document for the freeze it's not based on that. x.x That document is mainly for guns. For the melee it only does dmg and range.  

I agree that it's op af but 5 isn't doing it any justice. Now I see the logic of looking at it as 3 400 zc weapons but let's be honest 60% got it for the dual alien blade. Also there is effort into getting the kills that you need to unlock the other two weapons after getting the alien blade. Also again, if each were only 400 the game would be to ez. I think that it shouldn't be looked at as three different weapons but one weapon that can easily be many things since you have to get the 1200 before being able to upgrade upon it. This being said as stated before 5dmg isn't worth it's price. The problem isn't even the freeze. It's quite easy to knock users down to 1/2 health as the sabre gives the advantage of range, the damage is insane. Now 5 is over half the damage it is now so in hindsight its twice as long to be killed by one. That's too little imo. I find that you can push the boundaries of the weapon just a tad bit and make it 6 dmg. It would definitely be better than what people are expecting it to become so really if anyone complains about it being 6dmg they should be grateful... in other terms wtf was my original account name D:  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

I agree that it's op af but 5 isn't doing it any justice. Now I see the logic of looking at it as 3 400 zc weapons but let's be honest 60% got it for the dual alien blade. Also there is effort into getting the kills that you need to unlock the other two weapons after getting the alien blade. Also again, if each were only 400 the game would be to ez. I think that it shouldn't be looked at as three different weapons but one weapon that can easily be many things since you have to get the 1200 before being able to upgrade upon it. This being said as stated before 5dmg isn't worth it's price. The problem isn't even the freeze. It's quite easy to knock users down to 1/2 health as the sabre gives the advantage of range, the damage is insane. Now 5 is over half the damage it is now so in hindsight its twice as long to be killed by one. That's too little imo. I find that you can push the boundaries of the weapon just a tad bit and make it 6 dmg. It would definitely be better than what people are expecting it to become so really if anyone complains about it being 6dmg they should be grateful... in other terms wtf was my original account name D:

yes, but the 5 dmg is justified more along the lines of you will still be able to kill incredibly fast with it, also it will not be as annoying to kill flag rushers since they can just shred through your flag. also, the sabre has less range than the alien dual. If you ask me, that combo of range + 0 freeze makes the weapon already way werf. the other dual blades should be killing faster since you are not out smarting and outplaying them so frankly, you deserve to lose if you can't outsmart the enemy and face them head on instead of moving around them and being a hard target to hit. The alien blades main job is to be incredibly agressive vs other melee users. I would easily take way more manuverability vs staying in one spot with higher damage.

Posted by Tashkin

If you are looking at the document for the freeze it's not based on that. x.x That document is mainly for guns. For the melee it only does dmg and range.

yeah im aware the document doesn't have freeze on it.  

Yay i can post now, 2 days after registering. Anyway, nerfing the dual blade to be the equivelant of a 400 zc weapon, while it does make sense since your basically getting 3 weapons for 1200zc, isnt the best idea. Your focusing mainly on the dual blade, and not the other 2 weapons. The knife is worse then the starter knife (yes ive tested this, 1 person with each weapon, standing in front of each other, no moving, just spamming the attack button. It was close, but the starter knife prevailed) and the alien pistol is just a permanantly enraged streamer as the both shoot at the same rof (from my point of view), the only difference is the pistol is 1 damage higher, but its also easier to dodge. Nerfing the dual blade down to 5 damage would make it equal, if not worse, then a saber. And if thats the way things work out then its a complete waste to buy. And before anyone says i just want to keep an overpowered weapon, yes i do use it a lot, yes i do like it, and yes i do think its overpowered. But the way i see it is either balance out all 3 weapons to where they are better then how i compared them above, or just slightly nerf the dual blade by taking knicking it down to 7 or so damage, not 5. Even the way it is now a saber can beat it. The dual blade does have the manueverability that the saber doesnt which is a huge help, but in my opinion it should still be better, not by such a huge gap as there is now, but still. The dual blade, the way you describe it, is basically a 400zc weapon. Which is true. But you cant just flat out buy it for 400zc, you need the full 1200, which is a pain if you havent been around forever and have all these old weapons and hats to trade. Whereas a saber can be bought for 25k gralats, which doesnt take nearly as long to aquire as 1200 zc, plus you can buy gralats with packs, unlike zc, so you can litteraly have a saber within minute of creating an account. You cant buy zc with real money, so it makes it more of a challenge to aquire. Plus if you add in the 500 kills you need to get with the knife before you unlock the dual blade (which most people boost, but if you do it legit it takes several hours plus is a complete pain in the butt).

Also, if i may ask, you told me once before when you were at conquest, that you wouldnt nerf the dual blade. You said something along the lines of "im not going to nerf the dual blade, its fair, just annoying". Can i ask what changed your mind about that?

^no im not trying to start an argument with this, its just curiosity.  

Posted by Zero69

Yay i can post now, 2 days after registering. Anyway, nerfing the dual blade to be the equivelant of a 400 zc weapon, while it does make sense since your basically getting 3 weapons for 1200zc, isnt the best idea. Your focusing mainly on the dual blade, and not the other 2 weapons. The knife is worse then the starter knife (yes ive tested this, 1 person with each weapon, standing in front of each other, no moving, just spamming the attack button. It was close, but the starter knife prevailed) and the alien pistol is just a permanantly enraged streamer as the both shoot at the same rof (from my point of view), the only difference is the pistol is 1 damage higher, but its also easier to dodge. Nerfing the dual blade down to 5 damage would make it equal, if not worse, then a saber. And if thats the way things work out then its a complete waste to buy. And before anyone says i just want to keep an overpowered weapon, yes i do use it a lot, yes i do like it, and yes i do think its overpowered. But the way i see it is either balance out all 3 weapons to where they are better then how i compared them above, or just slightly nerf the dual blade by taking knicking it down to 7 or so damage, not 5. Even the way it is now a saber can beat it. The dual blade does have the manueverability that the saber doesnt which is a huge help, but in my opinion it should still be better, not by such a huge gap as there is now, but still. The dual blade, the way you describe it, is basically a 400zc weapon. Which is true. But you cant just flat out buy it for 400zc, you need the full 1200, which is a pain if you havent been around forever and have all these old weapons and hats to trade. Whereas a saber can be bought for 25k gralats, which doesnt take nearly as long to aquire as 1200 zc, plus you can buy gralats with packs, unlike zc, so you can litteraly have a saber within minute of creating an account. You cant buy zc with real money, so it makes it more of a challenge to aquire. Plus if you add in the 500 kills you need to get with the knife before you unlock the dual blade (which most people boost, but if you do it legit it takes several hours plus is a complete pain in the butt).

Also, if i may ask, you told me once before when you were at conquest, that you wouldnt nerf the dual blade. You said something along the lines of "im not going to nerf the dual blade, its fair, just annoying". Can i ask what changed your mind about that?

^no im not trying to start an argument with this, its just curiosity.

Ikr I had to make a new one and it took ages D: So I agree with everything you said but while finding out the range of the alien dualblade is larger than the sabre I get why he wants them to be 5dmg. I mean tf the sabre looks twice as long. I mean when using a melee we always fight close. The fact that it's range is imo a larger is a bigger reason to be nerfed than the freeze  

Posted by Zero69

Also, if i may ask, you told me once before when you were at conquest, that you wouldnt nerf the dual blade. You said something along the lines of "im not going to nerf the dual blade, its fair, just annoying". Can i ask what changed your mind about that?

^no im not trying to start an argument with this, its just curiosity.

I thought the damage was 5 damage. Not 9. 9 is just blatently OP plus it breaks tashs own 7 dmg max rule(im not sure if only applies to guns or melees too, he never said melees).

Posted by Zero69

good feedback, this is why i wanted to use graalians. For the stuff like this.

Basically to get to what you were saying.

1st thing, yes, the alien knife shalt receive thy holy buff to ye. Im looking at 8 damage currently because of dat slow ROF.

2nd thing, The alien pistol is hands down one of the most powerful guns in game because its rof is at .2. Only thing holding it back is .2 is a very tricky tap fire pattern though. If you ask me, im throwing you guys a bone by giving one of the best guns in game too you for basically 400 zc + the kill grinding.

3rd thing, I have a very hard time beliving that the alien dual blade will be worse than the saber. If anything it will be equal at least since theres no freeze AND it has the most range out of all the melees. If anything, i might consider putting it at 6 damage and see how the community reacts (they will cry about it, like always) to the nerf, then go accordingly. Theres always more room for finer tuning of balancing.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

If you ask me, im throwing you guys a bone by giving one of the best guns in game too you for basically 400 zc + the kill grinding

SAY THIS AGAIN I WILL CUT YOU  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

SAY THIS AGAIN I WILL CUT YOU

wot. It is one of the best guns in the game, do i need to get out my statistics charts out? Because i can tell you, this gun is .07 seconds killing slower than rippers which is the fastest killing gun in game.  

Dude stop thinking it as 400zc weapons. For you need the 1.2k all at once to even get the first one and that's massively harder than 400zc.  

Ummm how did you quote something i never said? O.o  

Posted by Zero69

magic

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

Dude stop thinking it as 400zc weapons. For you need the 1.2k all at once to even get the first one and that's massively harder than 400zc.

why would you even be mad though? i know i sure as hell would take two 400 zc weapons and one of the best guns around and be happy as hell for the 1.2zc and the grinding of kills. Especially when that gun is more preferable over rippers. Seriously. The alien pistol would be worth like, 900 zc if it was a seperate item.