12-27-2017
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Andy Aardvarks
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: The Depths.
Posts: 90
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The problem i had was that, after seeing the original in development for so long, it was almost embarrasing to see such a shoddy rip-off (no offense but yes offense) of a truly great hat. Alot of time and effort went into it and after talking with the 'Nathanator' his view on the act of plaguerism was "idc". Im glad the community seems to mostly agree that the artwork is stolen (i expected a lynch-mob going off of track record..) and it's a shame that not a lot can be done about it. However! In the actual submission thread it did specifically say that "stolen artwork will be immediately denied", understandably, it's difficult to discern whether a hat/concept is stolen but if the evidence is given, shouldn't it only make sense for the hat to be removed, refunded, etc.? |
12-27-2017
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Ol West Deputy & Graphics
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Germany
Posts: 10
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Interesting... I didn't know you were invited to his house plus brought 5 people. I'll definitely ask Nathan about it. You and your 5 friends may discuss with me too. Yeah Nathan seems much like "Idk" and "Idc" and I know his english isn't that good. I used to base with Silence for 4 months and I never heard talking him much. His english isnt that good. Which is why I decided to join the discussion and help to understand what is going on. I have an Italian colleague and he reminds me much of Nathan. ;) Nathan told me he saw this hat in a movie once and wanted to make it. Don't get me wrong guys. I can very much understand that you're upset! But how can Nathan copy your hat when he never saw your sprite? Either some SS member sent him and he copied or it is simply coincidence that he made it. But I don't deny it they really look close. I mean how can you "copy" so closely when you don't have the original file? I ve seen Nathan's GFX at the time when I just was hired and now. He improved alot and I m proud of it. Hell ya - I wish I could improve like this too but I cant do much gfx lately. Furthermore Nathan had 18 of his hats accepted onto Ol West for XMAS. With that great result he actually doesn't need to steal. He sounded like he didnt do it on purpose. As I said what bothers me is that colors look close even though he doesn't have your file. |
12-27-2017
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Banned
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,173
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Since this seems like a juicy expose thread I'll join in on the fun The lineart is too similar, it even matches up for most parts of the hat and at other times he simply linetraced around the already existing outline. The colors are super close to the point where it is obvious that Nathan has colorpicked them over and slightly changed them. Here's some evidence with the lines overlapping and I've also picked out some of the colors which are almost identical to eachother. GIF: PNG: Also Lyvia, if you are confident about him creating original content then please post the rest of his work and perhaps this'll turn out to be even more enjoyable than it already is |
12-27-2017
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The old, pink bear.
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 67
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I think "plagiarized" is the more proper, loosely-based term here, as he didn't just take my hat directly and submit it. But yes, looking through a non-politically correct eye, anyone on the planet could see this and deem it "stolen". Lmfao Twiz nailed it xD ... btw Twiz, thanks for the compliments- you said my shading reminds me of your own- hmu sometime and share your work- I'm always down for some art swap. Eugeen. Thanks for taking the time to do that, man. Very tidy work. Very much appreciated. Lyv, I invited one friend during my visit with Nathan. It was J*, in fact. And as he said, embarrassingly yes, I really busted my butt over this piece. To see it ripped off and stuck in the very game that I designed it for was... well (I try to keep calm these days) yeah, it was pretty lame. I'd much rather had someone contact me and ask for the hat directly if I knew this was going to be its fate (heck I could've even thrown some holiday edits on it). ^ I'd like for Nathan to produce a screenshot of the hat in the movie he saw... because this morning, I dug up five more papers of concept work I have displaying this hat. I can also share my influences and thoughts before the hat even made it on paper. On the side, I don't see why you're listing all of these 'Nathan Fun Facts', as his personality or gfx struggle doesn't have anything to do the plagiarizing matter? And as for him bribing me in his house, he can verify this- because as sure as I'm alive and breathing, it did happen. I did quit. Purely coincidental when I came back for a few days' visit with the SS kids. As soon as this matter is taken care of, I'll be gone again- don't worry lol |
12-27-2017
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Andy Aardvarks
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: The Depths.
Posts: 90
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Ill explain the ambiguities here. 1. There were not "five friends" it was just whippy and i 2. Nathan HAD seen the sprite, a member of our gang leaked an early version of the hat (funnily enough that member is now in silence). 3. It is clearly plaguerised. Like Eugeen said, the line-art is similar and various details were clearly copied. Not to mention the literal 'eye-dropping" of the colours. Edit: whippy how did we post replies at the exact same minute about the exact same thing haha Double edit: yeah Nathan did get 18 of his hats approved. He also got three stalls for halloween this year and most of his hats were'nt themed for the event and im not even going to talk about the bow. |
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The old, pink bear.
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 67
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AHH MI AMIGO, I believe to further the question, WHEN WE SIMULTANEOUSLY CLICKED THE "SUBMIT REPLY" KEY, HOW DIDN'T OUR POSTS QUANTUM INTERMINGLE AND BLOW UP THE GRAAL FORUMS?!... obviously I'm just closer to the server than you, and my reply came in 0.00000001 seconds earlier... for the sake of all Graalians, be glad that it did. (whaddabout that post from Eugeen eyy? snazzy stuufff) |
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