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Posted by Howlgraal

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Admins are busy the night after halloween I guess  

Posted by Dawn

You should have started earlier

While that normally would had been true. He still would not have gotten the hat if he started at 100 hours. All of the hats issued went directly to members of ET and not a single regular guild member. Even the guilds perms were cheated out xD

I was there helping them at the time. I told the leader before that i had no interest in the hat. So I wasn't there for it. I was trying to get them to hold off on giving the hat out so they could push towards 5k. That was the plan they told me but obviously it was just a flat out lie.

It was sad watching everybody get cheated out. Most dramatic things ive ever seen on Graal. It wasn't even that dramatic when my guild was stolen by a random guy  

Posted by Kendama

Thats why you make sure you have a good leader. I gave hats to all of my good members, and I did not give any spot to friends that weren't a big help.

Can confirm, helped from 300 hours and Kendama did not give it to his close friends that were asking for the Voyage hat, and gave it to the most deserving.  

Ok so my in game name is kirito and over my time spent on graal I have managed to require 6 1k hats , they key to acquires these most of the time is just be active , however if you join a guild with a **** leader chances are if your nt his/her friend and don't lic their ass then you won't get the hat....
Personally your intention to tower is not relevant , hat chasers seem to always be seemed as the downside of guilds when in reality a lot of the times they do most of the guilds job.

Personally out of the 6 1k hats I have squired , in some of the six guilds I did only do it in intention of getting a hat and in some I did it for friends and fun.

So the key things really is get a decent guild with people you get along with and are friends with an be active , or kiss a leaders ass when eve he is online and it does the trick. If you think / know the leader does not like you and your in it for the hat then I suggest you leave cuz chances are you won't get picked!

Finally even of your intention is to just do it for the hat , I do not suggest you reveal this as most 12-16 year old guild leaders do not understand common helping logic and just base their decision on intentions and on lic ass levels


Sorry if there are any major grammar mistakes wrote this in a rush on a bus (on a iPhone ) and didn't have time to check it  

Posted by Natso

Ok so my in game name is kirito and over my time spent on graal I have managed to require 6 1k hats , they key to acquires these most of the time is just be active , however if you join a guild with a **** leader chances are if your nt his/her friend and don't lic their ass then you won't get the hat....
Personally your intention to tower is not relevant , hat chasers seem to always be seemed as the downside of guilds when in reality a lot of the times they do most of the guilds job.

Personally out of the 6 1k hats I have squired , in some of the six guilds I did only do it in intention of getting a hat and in some I did it for friends and fun.

So the key things really is get a decent guild with people you get along with and are friends with an be active , or kiss a leaders ass when eve he is online and it does the trick. If you think / know the leader does not like you and your in it for the hat then I suggest you leave cuz chances are you won't get picked!

Finally even of your intention is to just do it for the hat , I do not suggest you reveal this as most 12-16 year old guild leaders do not understand common helping logic and just base their decision on intentions and on lic ass levels


Sorry if there are any major grammar mistakes wrote this in a rush on a bus (on a iPhone ) and didn't have time to check it

This shows you know nothing about what it takes and what goes on behind the scenes man.

Hat chasers show up when you do not even need them. (650+)
True members and people who are really part of the guild showed up randomly for whatever means and liked the guild enough to stay. They became friends, and they helped actually shape the guild.

The people that do most of the work are the people that set the guild on its own two feet when the guild is an underdog and has a weak reputation  

Posted by Kendama

This shows you know nothing about what it takes and what goes on behind the scenes man.

Hat chasers show up when you do not even need them. (650+)
True members and people who are really part of the guild showed up randomly for whatever means and liked the guild enough to stay. They became friends, and they helped actually shape the guild.

The people that do most of the work are the people that set the guild on its own two feet when the guild is an underdog and has a weak reputation

That's not true at all, yes some hat chasers join 650 + but that's not all hat chasers but a hat chaser is classed as someone who joined a guild just for the goal of a hat , to a certain extent every member of a 1k guild is a hat chaser if you wanna be technical ! But you can join a guild right from the beginning and be a hat chaser.However being a hat chaser is not a negative thing at all as it's seemed to be , the thing that matters is how much you help and the less troubles you cause.  

Posted by Natso

That's not true at all, yes some hat chasers join 650 + but that's not all hat chasers but a hat chaser is classed as someone who joined a guild just for the goal of a hat , to a certain extent every member of a 1k guild is a hat chaser if you wanna be technical ! But you can join a guild right from the beginning and be a hat chaser.However being a hat chaser is not a negative thing at all as it's seemed to be , the thing that matters is how much you help and the less troubles you cause.

You must not realize not everybody towers just for a hat.
You really think we all have joined/made guilds for the hat reward?

Do you even realize their was a time where the hats were not a reward and tower taking was still very competitive and active? Or how about CoM, or other 5k and 10k guilds. Why would their members take them all the way to those high numbers if they could just join another 1k hat and get more hats in less time?

Before you tell me what is true and not, actually understand the game first.  

Posted by Kendama

You must not realize not everybody towers just for a hat.
You really think we all have joined/made guilds for the hat reward?

Do you even realize their was a time where the hats were not a reward and tower taking was still very competitive and active? Or how about CoM, or other 5k and 10k guilds. Why would their members take them all the way to those high numbers if they could just join another 1k hat and get more hats in less time?

Before you tell me what is true and not, actually understand the game first.

At no point did I state everybody towers for a hat , I stated that the intention for YIU to tower does not matter as long as long as your helpful am active , your just opening a new subject which is irrelevant to this conversation which goes to the past when I'm talking about nown ....  

Some people are just really greedy :I  

Posted by Natso

At no point did I state everybody towers for a hat , I stated that the intention for YIU to tower does not matter as long as long as your helpful am active , your just opening a new subject which is irrelevant to this conversation which goes to the past when I'm talking about nown ....

What you said was that I was wrong when I told you hat chasers do not account for most of the hard work that goes into a guild. But I have seen your posts before and they are usually ignorant and make no sense. So I don't really care to try to correct you at this point  

Posted by Kendama

What you said was that I was wrong when I told you hat chasers do not account for most of the hard work that goes into a guild. But I have seen your posts before and they are usually ignorant and make no sense. So I don't really care to try to correct you at this point

No , your just being ignorant hat chasers can accound for most of the hard work that goes into a guild and they can also do the opposite , what your trying to describe is like a stereotype for hat chasers in which a lot of the cases is not true.
A hat chaser is someone who joins a guild with the intention if getting a hat only, hat chasers can join at the very beginning of a guild , this does not mean that a hat chaser does not do any work for the guild...
Furthermore you just called me ignorant when you just changed te topic half way through your post as you had no counter argument ... Good job , if you have anything valid to add to this argument/conversation then go ahead  

Hats to me are a motive something for members to work for something everyone wants
therefore Hat chasers are simply people who want the hat and often are willing to help you tower for it

I dont tower anymore but it makes no sense
why hate someone who wants to help you for the prize
why should a leader care about what their members motive is if its helping the guild or getting the hat at the same time he is getting his guild more towering hours therefore suceding

Ive lead different styled guilds for about 1 year and for a leader to hate hat chasers is stupid  

Posted by Natso

No , your just being ignorant hat chasers can accound for most of the hard work that goes into a guild and they can also do the opposite , what your trying to describe is like a stereotype for hat chasers in which a lot of the cases is not true.
A hat chaser is someone who joins a guild with the intention if getting a hat only, hat chasers can join at the very beginning of a guild , this does not mean that a hat chaser does not do any work for the guild...
Furthermore you just called me ignorant when you just changed te topic half way through your post as you had no counter argument ... Good job , if you have anything valid to add to this argument/conversation then go ahead

Too bad you are scrambled and don't even know what you are talking about

Posted by Natso

to a certain extent every member of a 1k guild is a hat chaser .

Im just gonna leave this here.  

To a certain extent every member of a 1k is a hat chaser , it's common sence if they was doing it for absolute fun they wouldn't stop at 1k .... think I know 1k guilds after being a lead in 10 successful ones , unlike you I'm not trying to be a arrogant child that can't acept the simple truth that it dissent matter if your a hat chaser as long as you put effort into helping a guild.