Also I think that are you there message just makes stuff so inconvenient, it only disturbs players who actually farm you can easily get a macro that detects and gets rid of the message for you... A very poor attempt at stopping auto farming if you ask me personally  

Posted by Rusix

I'm asking this because the more and more people get banned for seemingly no valid reason at all, I think sometimes admins need to put a note of what they did wrong which may help stop the random bans.

My friend gold a while back got banned for absolutely no reason at all that would be valid and hid was labeled "Hacking/Cheating" when he was farming.I had such recorded on my screen that he was busy farming while we talked.

And tonight about 20 minutes ago before I made this, I got banned for 11 hours for "game disruption" when I was sparring. To which I honestly don't care it was NY last spar anyway and I was gonna sleep anyway and the ban will be over by tike I get to school tomorrow. It's the fact it made absolutely no sense at all, Only valid reason I think it could've been was some admin didn't like the fact I delay which I literally can't help and can't really do anything about. But I don't see how that could fall under "Game disruption"?


So, What do you think? Would admins having to be required to leave a small note of why they was banned reduce the possibility of someone being banned randomly? Or would it affect anything

yes  

Posted by Raeven

You're aware that you have terrible lag/delay. But you still spar anyway , good way to destroy someone else's day. You deserved that 11hr ban.

And yea we need that note thing in bans

Most people seem to delay anymoreor lag, 7ives is a example. Sarah gotten over 100k spar wins and delays. And my delay compared to some of these people isn't that bad, I measured out my delay a while ago. It was around or below 1.25 seconds on average. Sometimes below 1.0 second. If I stood still and allowed you to hit me you'd probably see it would only be a second for me to take damage. That compared to other delayers who delay by 2-3 seconds that isn't really much when compared to.

Plus delay isn't something that gets people banned to begin with

Posted by Saber Alumba

People can get banned later on after they perform an action, your friends might have been hacking/cheating before he was with you. Just because you did something you shouldn’t and didn’t get caught on the spot don’t mean that it won’t catch up to you.

However I though that the admins already had an option to leave notes, I mean how else would appealing bans work if there’s no evidence of what you did ? I mean it can’t be aword of mouth situation surely



No, delay can’t get you a ban due to it being out of a players control. Laggy movements on the other hand can as they are most certainly within a players control

What do you mean by laggy movement? I'm not sure how a player could control if they lag or not, or I'm misunderstanding what your trying to say which may be the case since I have no idea how one can just stop their lag at will  

@rusix happy 100 post  

Yeah because you clearly got banned for delaying in spar while sarah roams free with 100k+ spars.  

I'm not sure if this is the case with other servers, but when I worked on Zone iPhone, we were required to put a note on every ban.  

They have plenty of notes I’ll bet, just nothing a player will ever see lol  

Posted by Striken

Yeah because you clearly got banned for delaying in spar while sarah roams free with 100k+ spars.

I know, i don't even spar that much just time to time when I'm bored.  

Posted by Rusix

What do you mean by laggy movement? I'm not sure how a player could control if they lag or not, or I'm misunderstanding what your trying to say which may be the case since I have no idea how one can just stop their lag at will

Delay happens due to the high in game ms, players who live further away from the server will have a higher ms as it takes longer for their data to to be sent towards the server and back to them thus creating delay

Laggy movements when someone appears to be teleporting is caused by an unstable ms , this means that your router is not sending signals towards the server in a stable fashion thus making you appear as if your teleporting everywhere. For an example if your ms constantly jumps from 100-400 you’d have very laggy movements.
This is a players fault as it’s ussualy because they eather use a vpn which can sometimes cause this , have a really cheap bad router ... etc  

Posted by Saber Alumba

Delay happens due to the high in game ms, players who live further away from the server will have a higher ms as it takes longer for their data to to be sent towards the server and back to them thus creating delay

Laggy movements when someone appears to be teleporting is caused by an unstable ms , this means that your router is not sending signals towards the server in a stable fashion thus making you appear as if your teleporting everywhere. For an example if your ms constantly jumps from 100-400 you’d have very laggy movements.
This is a players fault as it’s ussualy because they eather use a vpn which can sometimes cause this , have a really cheap bad router ... etc

I'm not sure how right your on with laggy movement, while yes it is unstable it doesn't exactly mean the player could control it, When i worked for my school and as a computer tech for a small company in my town that fixes laptops,phones, satellites, ect.ive encountered a few things that can cause a unstable network in devices themselves, or even by satellite. As well as it can be caused by technical problems on the internet providers end. I also encountered times where a damaged Ethernet cord caused problems with the Internet, as well as some cellular data providers ( From what a lot of people tell me when I worked as a CTA, Cricket doesn't exactly give the most stable of connection, I remember my friend telling me he couldn't get service at his bed, But could if he moved to the other side of the bed lmao )

But you do have the most general concept of it right though, more than what most people understand of it from what it seems on graal anymore, but it isn't generally the players fault if their connection becomes unstable, there is lots of factors that can come into play that are out of the players or persons control  

Your still naming stuff that is under people’s control, they have the option to pay for better speed / connections , to buy new routers or get them fixed , to fix their cables etc. They are all things they can manipulate if they were really that interested, fair enough sometimes internet providers have bad faulty days but Idk about other countries but st least in the uk its not that common and I don’t live in a big city either...
Whereas no matter what you can’t really help the delay problem, I mean I’m no expert but this has always been my though process  

-You can get in trouble for game disruption even without the use of VPN if you're so laggy / delay so horribly that it's a true disruption to the activity.

-Even though Rusix is a chronic liar, the people telling him (or anyone) to stop sparring because of delay are chimpanzees and their opinion should be treated as such.

-The amount of mind-numbing reports that staff get make adding a personalized message really tedious. It might be a better solution to have more specific reasons available for staff to choose from, set out in subcategories. For example, under the "hacking/cheating" reason, the client could add in a set of specifics that the staff could also include in the ban, such as "speedhacking" or "using macros to farm" etc.  

Posted by Saber Alumba

Your still naming stuff that is under people’s control, they have the option to pay for better speed / connections , to buy new routers or get them fixed , to fix their cables etc. They are all things they can manipulate if they were really that interested, fair enough sometimes internet providers have bad faulty days but Idk about other countries but st least in the uk its not that common and I don’t live in a big city either...
Whereas no matter what you can’t really help the delay problem, I mean I’m no expert but this has always been my though process

There are still hundreds of reasons why unstable connection is out of a players control, And for things I listed is for the majority of people who play graal, People under 18. And most people under 18 don't have jobs to Pay for their own stuff. While they can ask their parents, they probably wouldn't ask " Hey mom or dad can I get a new internet satellite?" They would probably think their kid doesn't need it and that the Internet is probably fine because the parents don't probably play graal and it can probably connect good enough For the parents to get whatever they need done,

Things the player cannot control for instance even if the equipment is brand new is stuff like how good their internet providers are around them, There are areas where let's say Dish,DirecTV, Spectrum, ect can't provide service for in certain areas, even in the United States, even in cities because that Internet company cannot put out a strong enough signal to fulfill their end of the bargain of a good connection or even the simple ability to connect.

Like for me for example, I have to pay for a special satellite to have a signal reach where I live because for my general area, I can only get DirecTV. it isn't possible to get spectrum or Dish at my house because how far it is , and the broadband can't get to my area, and they can't get a strong enough signal to my location because they have nothing to spread the signal to my house. So instead I had to pay for a special satellite from direcTV for me to get a decent signal, if I didn't I'd delay by a crap ton more than I already do, I don't have the papers with me to give the exact amount how much it made me delay before without it, but it was if I remember correctly close to 9x more,

So by doing calculations. I'd delay by 11.25 seconds on average (probably a bit more actually ) and I delay by 1.25 seconds right now (1.25 X 9).

I'm sure there is probably a ton more areas in the United States that probably face similar problems. Especially country style places or how developed your area generally is or if there is a good enough Internet provider near you to give you a good signal, And there would probably be ones like mine where if they don't pay a almost 2,800 dollar price tag for a special satellite to get things to their house a lot better they would probably face a heavy set of delay, possibly big enough where it can cause the network to be unstable.

Another scenario could be if there is a poor family, they may have dial up in replacement of Internet plans, and for those who don't know what dial up is, it's a pretty incredibly slow network that's cheap, usually delays a bit, and probably would be unstable in graal. While you may say that's still in their control, depending on the household income, it might not be, if there is a family with a fixed income or a tight budget to make ends meet they may not be able to pay the extra for a strong network when they got bills to pay.


I could name another hundred reasons why it could be out of their control,

Posted by Fulgore

-You can get in trouble for game disruption even without the use of VPN if you're so laggy / delay so horribly that it's a true disruption to the activity.

-Even though Rusix is a chronic liar, the people telling him (or anyone) to stop sparring because of delay are chimpanzees and their opinion should be treated as such.

-The amount of mind-numbing reports that staff get make adding a personalized message really tedious. It might be a better solution to have more specific reasons available for staff to choose from, set out in subcategories. For example, under the "hacking/cheating" reason, the client could add in a set of specifics that the staff could also include in the ban, such as "speedhacking" or "using macros to farm" etc.

Mmm, So how am I "Chronic Liar"? And no, They aren't Chimpanzees, Just uneducated people that think any delay is ...Ah hem...I quote "HAAAXXXERERR OMG REPORT THEY VPN OMG HOW DONTHEY DELAY OMMMMMGGGGGGG HACKER REPORT TELL ADMINS PLEASE ERMMAAAAAAAGEEEERDDDDD I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS"  

Ay rusix, u can come live in my basement. I have a gud internet. Let me see u going 12570-795 broo. I support gud prof sparers.  

Posted by Zetectic

Ay rusix, u can come live in my basement. I have a gud internet. Let me see u going 12570-795 broo. I support gud prof sparers.

Oh ye breh I be pr0 rekter